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  • Petition against UK parliament suspension passes a million signatures amid nationwide protests

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    A public petition against U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s suspension of parliament passed the 1 million signature milestone within its first 24 hours as protests broke out across the country. The Queen on Wednesday approved Johnson’s plan to suspend parliament from September 9 to October 14, a highly controversial move which would restrict parliamentary time for opposition Members of Parliament (MPs) to try to block the U.K. leaving the European Union without a deal on October 31. Sterling slumped 1% on the announcement and were trading down at $1.219 on Thursday morning. In addition to the petition, ... (full story)

Yep - the very people that won't accept the refferendum result and think we should keep doing it till the outcome matches what they want...

It's about time we actually supported our leaders in their endeavours rather than continuously seeking to impede them. EU rightly judged that they could drive an impoosible/punishing deal when they had so much domestic assistance. Hence where we are now...
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the last gasp of the remainers.
Interesting how the crowd members are carrying placards declaring "Defend Democracy".

Democracy voted to get out of the European Union, and yet the leeches in the Houses of Parliament are still doing their best to avoid delivering on that mandate.
Quoting Exodus
Interesting how the crowd members are carrying placards declaring "Defend Democracy". Democracy voted to get out of the European Union, and yet the leeches in the Houses of Parliament are still doing their best to avoid delivering on that mandate.
All Johnson needs to do is get on with it. Let the children and their Media shreak until their lungs bleed. He has a sustainable constituency locked down to execute this course of action; and he'll come out a memorable Statesman.
The Queen and the Return and the Middle Ages.
Legislative, executive and judicial power are the foundations of modern society.
Queen
"Impromptu protests broke out outside the Palace of Westminster in central London and in cities across the U.K."
Across the country they all got up early in the morning and printed the same sign on their large format plotters. Amazing.
Quoting Exodus
Interesting how the crowd members are carrying placards declaring "Defend Democracy". Democracy voted to get out of the European Union,...
You must be special needs child

Or...
Are you from Oxford where they can't read, or Cambridge where they can't count???
😱😱😱😱😱

Only about 36% of voters voted leave.
Vote = go drop a paper.
👎👎👎
Capish????

So that's hard NO.
...if you get the idea...
Bread and circuses

The clowns will rock the boat, sell pound, lie.... Until second referendum is called, to justify what big bosses ordered long ago - no Brexit.

That simple 😱😱😱👏👏👏
Seems pretty clear what needs to happen next
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Scotland, N. Ireland?
What are the percentages?
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} You must be special needs child
I am ... I need to get out of the EU

Quote
Or... Are you from Oxford where they can't read, or Cambridge where they can't count??? Only about 36% of voters voted leave. Vote = go drop a paper. Capish???? So that's hard NO. ...if you get the idea...
Friend .. I have known you here for a long time .. but I see that you need enlightenment.
I am from the more northern parts of England where the inhabitants can both read and count.

85% of the electorate turned out to vote in the referendum; the result was a 52:48 win for the leave vote.
That means nearly 41% of those entitled to vote actually voted to remain in the EU.
The other 59% either voted for leaving or accepted the result of those who could be bothered to turn out to vote.

59% either want to leave or don't want to remain .. Capish???

edit:
Oops! My numbers are wrong .. fancy that !
Only 72% turned out to vote .. so only 35% of the electorate (being generous here) actually voted remain
So that means .. there is an even bigger majority for leaving!
just a reminder: the last referendum was already the 2nd one. In the first the British people voted to join the EU ...
Quoting Yusaliu
Seems pretty clear what needs to happen next {image}
Newsflash 2 poster.

"You could call it swing Saturday or crossover day, for this Saturday, 19 January (2019), marks an important moment. This is the day, in theory, when the country turns remain. Even if not a single person has changed their mind since the referendum, the demographic shift alone will have done the heavy lifting. Enough old leavers will have died and enough young remainers will have come on to the electoral register to turn the dial on what the country thinks about Brexit."
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ond-referendum
Quoting Breza
Scotland, N. Ireland? What are the percentages?
Doesn't really matter, what matters was the overall result, those who want to remain can campaign after we've left, that's kinda how democracy works. it fails if/when you ignore the original result.
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Quoting Exodus
{quote} I am ... I need to get out of the EU {quote} Friend .. I have known you here for a long time .. but I see that you need enlightenment. I am from the more northern parts of England where the inhabitants can both read and count. 85% of the electorate turned out to vote in the referendum; the result was a 52:48 win for the leave vote. That means nearly 41% of those entitled to vote actually voted to remain in the EU. The other 59% either voted for leaving or accepted the result of those who could be bothered to turn out to vote. 59% either...
"85% of the electorate turned out to vote in the referendum"
Rubbish it was 72% but don't let facts get in the way of some good BS!
Quoting theras2000
{quote} Newsflash 2 poster. "You could call it swing Saturday or crossover day, for this Saturday, 19 January (2019), marks an important moment. This is the day, in theory, when the country turns remain. Even if not a single person has changed their mind since the referendum, the demographic shift alone will have done the heavy lifting. Enough old leavers will have died and enough young remainers will have come on to the electoral register to turn the dial on what the country thinks about Brexit." https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ond-referendum...
???
Quoting theras2000
{quote} "85% of the electorate turned out to vote in the referendum" Rubbish it was 72% but don't let facts get in the way of some good BS!
Result is still leave though
Quoting theras2000
{quote} "85% of the electorate turned out to vote in the referendum" Rubbish it was 72% but don't let facts get in the way of some good BS!
Yes .. I apologise .. I corrected my post .. (searches for sheepish-grin icon)
My recollection of an 85% turnout goes back to when I listened to the results being announced 3 years ago.

Strangely .. in all this time nobody has challenged my assertion about the size of the turnout until today!
Quoting Yusaliu
{quote} ???
I will spell it out for you.

Old people voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, Young people voted overwhelmingly to remain. Due to demographic changes in the past 3 years since the referendum, (old voters passing away and young people reaching voting age) if no one changed their votes remain would win if the proportions remain/leave of the new voters reaching voting age stayed the same.
Quoting theras2000
{quote} I will spell it out for you. Old people voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, Young people voted overwhelmingly to remain. Due to demographic changes in the past 3 years since the referendum, (old voters passing away and young people reaching voting age) if no one changed their votes remain would win if the proportions remain/leave of the new voters reaching voting age stayed the same.
Yes i get the point it was made 3 years ago just don't see the relevance now most people didn't understand it at the time and probably still don't

All that aside what benefit does UK get from staying in a "dying" single market, and missing out on better trade with other Countries due to EU bureaucracy.

EU is pretty much a failed system, they are about to go through an underrepresented amount of stimulus to keep the sinking ship floating.

They are already on negative rates, and in the current contracting business cycle they are literally fucked
Quoting lion1208
just a reminder: the last referendum was already the 2nd one. In the first the British people voted to join the EU ...

actually the vote was to join the EEC not the EU as it didn't exist........( just saying )
Quoting Yusaliu
{quote} Yes i get the point it was made 3 years ago just don't see the relevance now most people didn't understand it at the time and probably still don't All that aside what benefit does UK get from staying in a "dying" single market, and missing out on better trade with other Countries due to EU bureaucracy. EU is pretty much a failed system, they are about to go through an underrepresented amount of stimulus to keep the sinking ship floating. They are already on negative rates, and in the current contracting business cycle they are...
Well, don't agree with your comments. Yes the EU is going through a significant downturn but being a member has served us well for many years. The EU economy will pick up sooner or later.

To help replace some of the lost trade with the EU, do you really think America First Trump will give us a good free trade deal when Johnson said this about the narcissist?
"stupefying ignorance' that make him unfit for the office of President"
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Quoting ClinicalEx
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Whether you like it or not young people are the future. Perhaps they don't appreciate the freedom to travel and work in the EU taken away from them.
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} You must be special needs child Or... Are you from Oxford where they can't read, or Cambridge where they can't count??? Only about 36% of voters voted leave. Vote = go drop a paper. Capish???? So that's hard NO. ...if you get the idea...
Those who did not go to vote also voted. In fact, he doesn't care what's going to happen. They then learn that the rights of democracy must be exercised. Anyone who denounces the result of the referendum with any excuse is not a Democrat.
I agree with NBFX. I would expect 16million signatures on that petition.The guy that wants to take over, Corbyn because Johnson has the balls to actually do something, won't even sing God Save The Queen
Quoting theras2000
{quote} Whether you like it or not young people are the future. Perhaps they don't appreciate the freedom to travel and work in the EU taken away from them.
World has also changed quite a bit during the past 3 years and most of the changes are not supportive for a country to isolate itself from a major trading and political block. Countries like Russia will of course be cheering.
Quoting theras2000
{quote} Whether you like it or not young people are the future. Perhaps they don't appreciate the freedom to travel and work in the EU taken away from them.
you mean fill out another form to work?, no different to going to work in Dubai or the states
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Thereas 2000, whilst having the freedom to travel and work in the EU sounds good, in reality unless you speak the language of the country, its a lot harder for British Citizens to work in the Eu than for eu citizens to work in the UK. I have 2 adults sons with science masters, and they have looked into eu jobs. Not easy. And there are more important issues to Brexit than simply the possible benefit of jobs abroad.
Quoting Yusaliu
{quote} you mean fill out another form to work?, no different to going to work in Dubai or the states
EU membership means young people have the right to train and study in any EU country – under the same conditions as that country’s nationals.

Would they get free healthcare in Dubai or US? Just asking!
Quoting ClinicalEx
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Hey buddie.. WTF give you the right to come on here and abuse members as Leftists and commies?
Ive run back through your posts and they are consistently abusive and disrespectful of members.
Have some fkucing manners mate.

Im posting this because the monitors on these threads appear to be asleep.
Quoting ClinicalEx
{quote} That aside- only the demented leftist brain can trust the wisdom of the young over that of, quite literally, one of the greatest generations in history.
Baby boomers? Greatest generation? Yes, greatest MOANERS, energy leeches, stubborn, resistance to good changes....yeah..great!

I laugh at the mugs who still support this rich man's brexit, despite the obvious pain they are yet to receive.
Quoting Exodus
{quote} I am ... I need to get out of the EU {quote} Friend .. I have known you here for a long time .. but I see that you need enlightenment. I am from the more northern parts of England where the inhabitants can both read and count. 85% of the electorate turned out to vote in the referendum; the result was a 52:48 win for the leave vote. That means nearly 41% of those entitled to vote actually voted to remain in the EU. The other 59% either voted for leaving or accepted the result of those who could be bothered to turn out to vote. 59% either...
Correction: There WAS a majority to leave (in 2016)
Lets consider this, Cameron supposedly tried to negotiate with the EU. Details of these negotiations have never been made public. What if these talks were infact a cunning plan to which Cameron was a party thereby forcing a referendum. Had the referendum decided remain then the EU would have conquered the UK. The EU thought the result would be to remain, if to leave then just have another vote and then another... as they have done elsewere until they get the vote they want.

Meanwhile they run project fear, well Brits are pretty easy going but do not respond well to blackmail.

I understand why the younger people have a bias toward the EU they have been brainwashed in school and university. Just as the older generation were brainwashed towards the British Empire. That ended well(not).

The EU are busy trying to build another Empire with Germany at the heart. This should ring alarm bells around the world.

If you trust this quasi Empire that needs to operate with decit at its heart that is your choice but don't complain when it goes wrong. Which it will, through war, financial collapse or both.

These people denigrate all the lives lost defending democracy from the Battle of Agincourt to Afghanistan, They bismirch the efforts of countries to defend democracy ranging from the USA, Russia to China et al.

As I said if you trust these people that is your choice but trying to impose your choice onto a majority that voted leave is not democracy.
Quoting theras2000
{quote} EU membership means young people have the right to train and study in any EU country – under the same conditions as that country’s nationals. Would they get free healthcare in Dubai or US? Just asking!
No such thing as free anything, someone is paying for it, e.g taxes but i don't see the relevance of health care to living and working, most internationals that work in UK have to pay NHS contribution or get private health care insurance

I don't see how leaving the EU stops them from working /living and studying in the EU.
Like i said its a few extra forms to fill in and various other expenses just like you would if you went to another country outside EU.

Nothing wrong with a country wanting full control over it sovereignty
When young that wanderlust burns so strong. Always the thoughts hey maybe will find it over there, or over there or then again it must be over there.
Then along comes those added years and it was not found over there or there or even over there.
All of a sudden hey maybe its right here, where there is community and friends and under it all a country that is mine.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Correction: There WAS a majority to leave (in 2016)
I don't disagree with you. If you look further down the post that you have referenced you will see that I corrected my figures. The correction was in place before your post.
Quoting Yusaliu
Doesn't really matter, what matters was the overall result, those who want to remain can campaign after we've left, that's kinda how democracy works. it fails if/when you ignore the original result. {image}
https://www.forexfactory.com/attachm...1&d=1567073884

This is actually quite useful.

Quoting Yusaliu
Nothing wrong with a country wanting full control over it sovereignty
Q; Are Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland countries?
Quoting Brotyboy
{quote} {image} This is actually quite useful. {quote} Q; Are Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland countries?
Yes they are individual , and part of the Great Britain / United kingdom but i don't know enough to explain how it all works, you'll have to google how they maintain their sovereignty if that's what your asking. But the vote was for UK too leave EU not the individual countries within. so its the total that counted not individual
Quoting Nut
Lets consider this, Cameron supposedly tried to negotiate with the EU. Details of these negotiations have never been made public. What if these talks were infact a cunning plan to which Cameron was a party thereby forcing a referendum. Had the referendum decided remain then the EU would have conquered the UK. The EU thought the result would be to remain, if to leave then just have another vote and then another... as they have done elsewhere until they get the vote they want.
There are few critics within the EU who support the UK's cause...


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great clip. shame it not go mainstream.
Interesting address. I note that she is mathematically challenged in quoting the net loss to EU budget of 15b when we know its circa 9b, and fascinating to see that while the rest of the world and europe accuse the EU of being dominated by Germany, Ms Weidel sees it as dominated by France? Finally her faith in the personal warmth that Brits feel towards Germany is touching if naive. LoL
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} You must be special needs child Or... Are you from Oxford where they can't read, or Cambridge where they can't count??? Only about 36% of voters voted leave. Vote = go drop a paper. Capish???? So that's hard NO. ...if you get the idea...
Applying your logic only about 34% of voters voted remain.
Quoting Yusaliu
{quote} Yes they are individual , and part of the Great Britain / United kingdom but i don't know enough to explain how it all works, you'll have to google how they maintain their sovereignty if that's what your asking. But the vote was for UK too leave EU not the individual countries within. so its the total that counted not individual
An interesting response.

IIRC the UK presents itself to the UN as 2 Countries, a Principality and a Province. How do you reconcile the above with your previous comment 'Nothing wrong with a country wanting full control over it sovereignty'?
Quoting frontier
{quote} Applying your logic only about 34% of voters voted remain.
That is about correct. But.....

Let me explain few things, for Exodus and others, then I'm out.

Look at post 9-little chart.
37% physically voted leave.
35% voted remain.
28% didn't cast vote.

Was that "binding referendum "??
No.
Cameron and other losers didn't make it so.
Were it "binding " then millions will take time off work to go vote REMAIN.
As it stands, the lazy, retired, drunk, unemployed.... had time to vote EXCESSIVELY, hence voted remain.
No offence 😱😱😂😂😂😂😂👎👎👎

Now forget "binding "
😨😨😨
Was it REFERENDUM or simple crooks'🙉 ELECTION???

Yes referendum it was - that's a thingy that defines generations futures.
That's why the rules are different.
😱😱😱😱
At election only the cast vote is looked at.
Not voted are IGNORED.

At REFERENDUM the NOT VOTING are counted with the NO(RENAIN) vote.
That simple!!!!!!

Because (i spell it out for weak minded) in a democracy (or pseudo) noone forces u to vote.... But you can have your life upturned upside down - in Referendum. So that's where the votes are counted as 37% Brexit, 63% NOT BREXIT.
Simple ehh 😨😨😨😨😨

As to my reference of second referendum i was baiting some brainless to say "noooo bubulaaa, second referendum is illegal or silly " 😭😭😭 so i can say "Correct bimbo, second referendum in 2016 was indeed illegal or silly "
Quoting Exodus
{quote} I don't disagree with you. If you look further down the post that you have referenced you will see that I corrected my figures. The correction was in place before your post.
I actually respect you a lot, pal.

I'm tired of arguing though 😂😱 plus i know the final outcome ( no Brexit no nothing. All lies).

With that said, one final wave of my hand 🍻🍻🍻🍻
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Don't understand
No one voted to leave with NO DEAL
Quoting Guest
Thereas 2000, whilst having the freedom to travel and work in the EU sounds good, in reality unless you speak the language of the country, its a lot harder for British Citizens to work in the Eu than for eu citizens to work in the UK. I have 2 adults sons with science masters, and they have looked into eu jobs. Not easy. And there are more important issues to Brexit than simply the possible benefit of jobs abroad.

Why were they not bothered to learn foreign languages, then? Are you going to blame EU for this?
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} .... I'm tired of arguing though plus i know the final outcome ( no Brexit no nothing. All lies)....
Personally I hope that you are wrong, but I fear you may be correct.
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