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Playing games with each other
Game of trades
now, can EU take advantage of the situation?? hummm...didn;t think so...
what is Trump achieving? other than crashing Wall Street and proving Sell in May and go away?
That is bullshit, China can not live without USA agriculture, to many people, if they do so, is a matter of time till population wil starve and make a revolution...so, my opinion, just bullshit
Quoting eleste
That is bullshit, China can not live without USA agriculture, to many people, if they do so, is a matter of time till population wil starve and make a revolution...so, my opinion, just bullshit
Wrong - Brazil, Russia, and eastern Europe will gladly make up the difference.

MAGA.
Quoting smctrader
{quote} Wrong - Brazil, Russia, and eastern Europe will gladly make up the difference. MAGA.
USA is not the only country on globe....
Quoting smctrader
{quote} Wrong - Brazil, Russia, and eastern Europe will gladly make up the difference. MAGA.
Impossible man, all of them together can not supply what USA can do...and many american companies will must leave China, many hedge funds...
They will look for alternatives.
Hopefully Europe can make somekinda deal with china to sell agriculture
Just dumping of treasuries will screw up the US
Quoting eleste
That is bullshit, China can not live without USA agriculture, to many people, if they do so, is a matter of time till population wil starve and make a revolution...so, my opinion, just bullshit
Mate, didn't you hear that Juncker is already in China to make us benefit hugely from DT's silly actions ?

Bingo !
Trumpy has overplayed his hand. The great negotiator is holding a pair of deuces and has gone all in.
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Then its a strong in USDJPY then
Quoting eleste
{quote} Impossible man, all of them together can not supply what USA can do...and many american companies will must leave China, many hedge funds...
China already getting soy from India and leased lands for agriculture in Russia. Trumps just smuggy Chap, thinks himself as spoke of the world wheel.
blah blah blah just stop trading with each other already. I know they want to
Quoting digit1288
Just dumping of treasuries will screw up the US
If only it was that simple. Repeating infantile rhetoric instead of understanding why dumping treasuries is actually bad for China. Do some research as to why that is the case and then ask yourself why hasn’t China already done that?

I’ll wait.......mic drop (sexy Saturday Night Fever dance)
Trump is only is hurting USA harmfully put new tax on his people under the name of trade war if he really care about starving people and want to give aids so just stop encouraging wars in middle east where hundered of childs die every day from starving
EU/China/Russia new best friends.
Quoting Expo33
{quote} If only it was that simple. Repeating infantile rhetoric instead of understanding why dumping treasuries is actually bad for China. Do some research as to why that is the case and then ask yourself why hasn’t China already done that? I’ll wait.......mic drop (sexy Saturday Night Fever dance)
"Many Chinese scholars are discussing the possibility of dumping US Treasuries and how to do it specifically."
China and US enjoying the show.
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Quoting digit1288
{quote} "Many Chinese scholars are discussing the possibility of dumping US Treasuries and how to do it specifically."
Dig a little deeper cupcake.
Let's we see all the stock market crash (not just a flash crash)
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Quoting eleste
That is bullshit, China can not live without USA agriculture, to many people, if they do so, is a matter of time till population wil starve and make a revolution...so, my opinion, just bullshit
The EU is the biggest trader in agricultural products of the world, both in terms of exports and imports.
The US Agri exports in 2018 were c$140b. Imports c$125b.
With respect @eleste.. I believe your view of International Agri trade and food security dependencies is flawed.
Quoting smctrader
{quote} Wrong - Brazil, Russia, and eastern Europe will gladly make up the difference. MAGA.
Lol. You don't know anything about those regions apparently.
Are you ready for the time of your life? I am. I've been waiting 25 years for that.
winter is coming.
Nice work mr president, great deal, the best deal. this will help the stock markets for sure
Quoting wiseambition
what is Trump achieving? other than crashing Wall Street and proving Sell in May and go away?
The USA is proving that the USA is the 800 pound gorilla in the room - NOT China, they are the 700 pound panda.
Quoting thatguy22
Nice work mr president, great deal, the best deal. this will help the stock markets for sure
You write in sarcasm but in the LONG RUN this WILL help the stock market.
Quoting fxsport
{quote} You write in sarcasm but in the LONG RUN this WILL help the stock market.
we are talking in this month sure this will damage the stocks , anyways it is all calculated , a correction has to happen no ?
Quoting smctrader
{quote} Wrong - Brazil, Russia, and eastern Europe will gladly make up the difference. MAGA.
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Russia and eastern Europe can barely feed their own populations you think their leaders will make their own people suffer to feed the Chinese?
Quoting digit1288
{quote} "Many Chinese scholars are discussing the possibility of dumping US Treasuries and how to do it specifically."
This option is like a nuclear war; once one side fires then the other side unleashes everything - no one wins
Quoting Ghass1234
{quote} we are talking in this month sure this will damage the stocks , anyways it is all calculated , a correction has to happen no ?
Most stock traders are looking for a reason to sell and take profit. A single 500 point drop in the Dow (which is a useless indicator BTW) is nothing. Look at the stock market charts in November and December 2018 and how it rebounded.

Let there be blood in the streets - let the masses panic while those of use get bargains.
Quoting fxsport
{quote} You write in sarcasm but in the LONG RUN this WILL help the stock market.
I do. Why, please explain.
CAD/JPY on sale at 81.2 buy buy buy nom nom nom
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You certainly can’t blame Xi Jinping for his actions, like he said, “I have to be concerned about the will of the people”.

“The will of the people” and Communism, wow, talk about an oxymoron.
i wonder if compnies buys their own stock , so that we spikes going up like this , they buy to sell in a better price these fuckers
i wouldn't sell the yen against anything right now , its the safe haven together with gold if this trade war gets ugly.
Sell in May and go away is usually a good maxim. It works more often than not. You can either be a chartist and try and understand Elliott Wave and all that stuff, which on fairly major timeframes (H4, D1 etc) now says sell, or you can go with sentiment and fundamental things, and thank or blame Trump for being the reason behind the downward price action. I can't see a reason to do anything else than dump shares, this is a stupid trade tit for tat that won't benefit even America just yet, and it is of course made worse by people in option and CFD trading who have the ability to go short and exacerbate the movement.
tit for tat is not going to work, in the end it will be fee trade as usual.
Manufacturing returning to America.

American made T-shirts on the horizon. I'm tired of chinese junk anyway. Let er rip!
Quoting Expo33
{quote} If only it was that simple. Repeating infantile rhetoric instead of understanding why dumping treasuries is actually bad for China. Do some research as to why that is the case and then ask yourself why hasn’t China already done that? I’ll wait.......mic drop (sexy Saturday Night Fever dance)
it will probably be a strategic dump. 1) get cap to weather the tarrifs, 2) do some damage in the process. emphasis will be on 1
I remember when not every item was chinese made - a time where goods actually had some quality and small business were thriving and each country was sustainable, maybe not everything trump does/says is a bad thing, sacrifices are needed to move forward sometimes.
Quoting Expo33
{quote} If only it was that simple. Repeating infantile rhetoric instead of understanding why dumping treasuries is actually bad for China. Do some research as to why that is the case and then ask yourself why hasn’t China already done that? I’ll wait.......mic drop (sexy Saturday Night Fever dance)
I totally agree. It is amazing how many people still subscribe to this most popular of delusions, even here on this trading website.
It's about time to curb the excessive flood of under-priced/inexpensive low-quality products from China.
Quoting Bakker
tit for tat is not going to work, in the end it will be fee trade as usual.
Baker, that is WHY Trump started this tariff war in the first place - there WAS no free trade
Quoting blanco1958
It's about time to curb the excessive flood of under-priced/inexpensive low-quality products from China.
REALLY? That doesn't sound like a free trader point of view to me! The consumer wants what the consumer wants.

On a personal level I agree with you in principle BUT I am a capitalist at heart and a political Libertarian who finds an ally at times in Trump.

ALWAYS REMEMBER: The enemy of my enemy is my 'friend'
Quoting smctrader
EU/China/Russia new best friends.
It's more like EU and Ukraine are best friends, and Russia and China are best friends. Russia and Ukraine are at each other throats in a state of simmering almost-war, EU has put sanctions on a bunch of Russian persons, Russia is doing (hybrid) war of words on EU, and China and EU are in a state of shaking hands in front of the camera, stabbing at each other when no one is watching, but are careful not to wound each other too deep, so both can focus on their main enemy.
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Quoting Haas9
Trump is only is hurting USA harmfully put new tax on his people under the name of trade war if he really care about starving people and want to give aids so just stop encouraging wars in middle east where hundered of childs die every day from starving
Many more will die when China's economy beat the US. I'm I wrong or a bunch of people don't understand what communism is ?
Quoting Maxthetrader
Manufacturing returning to America. American made T-shirts on the horizon. I'm tired of chinese junk anyway. Let er rip!

... either by robots or imported Mexican labor? ...
Quoting ekan
{quote} It's more like EU and Ukraine are best friends, and Russia and China are best friends. Russia and Ukraine are at each other throats in a state of simmering almost-war, EU has put sanctions on a bunch of Russian persons, Russia is doing (hybrid) war of words on EU, and China and EU are in a state of shaking hands in front of the camera, stabbing at each other when no one is watching, but are careful not to wound each other too deep, so both can focus on their main enemy.
Matter of perspective ... CIA/Ukraine are best friends ... Europe is okay with Russia ;-)
Quoting fxsport
{quote} {image} Russia and eastern Europe can barely feed their own populations you think their leaders will make their own people suffer to feed the Chinese?
Why do you think that?
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Quoting fxsport
{quote} Baker, that is WHY Trump started this tariff war in the first place - there WAS no free trade
maybe I think not quite right, we know that the goods of America are more expensive and why we know that goods from China are mostly educated for foreign capital, and cheaper, but we also remember the likely trade intentions of the parties China and the United States in exchange for goods The Chinese side bought planes from America. In connection with the tragic events, the Boeing 737 has flaws, could the Chinese side have a reason on such an important issue just wait, did Mr. President hear or did you and me with all the arguments about the deal ???
However, it was about a possible agreement for 2016, which is now offered by both parties, I did not find in free access
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Quoting Bicarus
{quote} it will probably be a strategic dump. 1) get cap to weather the tarrifs, 2) do some damage in the process. emphasis will be on 1
I doubt it will create any real damage. They dumped 1/2 trillion in US paper in 2015-16 on fears of waning domestic growth (global growth concerns). By the summer of 2016, 10-year yields dropped to a record low of 1.3% or something in that range. Why? Because there will always be a buyer for the best game in town....US debt. Look at the yields in Japan and Europe. Not very attractive.

Also, selling US treasuries weakens the dollar verse the Yuan leaving less room for Chinese policy makers to depreciate the Yuan more to offset tariffs.

Thirdly, China has some huge projects in the works around Asia. Dumping US paper may spook investors. And if that happens, where do you think some of that capital flow will go?. Ironically, a lot of it would likely end up buying US paper. I don't think spooking investors is something Jinping wants to risk at this juncture.

Other reasons as well. Imho, China would be shooting themselves in the foot by dumping US paper, especially since it would only drive up US borrowing costs for a very short term period. I still think more of the risk is on China.

They say the Chinese are thinking long term. If dumping debt truly punished the US, then maybe a good idea, but likely it will hurt them more and I don't think XI Linping wants to take that risk, especially after they have seemingly gotten their growth back on track. But, like Trump, Jinping needs to keep an image of confidence and strength.

I find it hilarious how so many blabber on about "Trump is just trying to get rich with his buddies". Yea that makes sense. I'm worth 7 billion and have Melania at my side. I better start a trade war knowing that US equities will lose billions in market cap. Good plan. ( let me guess, his friends are all shorting the market before he makes his tweets). Comical but the typical victim mentality. My life sucks and I haven't produced any real results in life because the 1% percenters are getting rich. SMH

Cheers and good trading
China doesn't have enough fire power to dump treasuries but all it has to do is to stop buying them and we will have problems finding buyers in this low rate environment. If this happens interest rates will have to go higher so the value of existing treasuries will go down. Not good for us or anybody else.
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China doesn't have huge domestic consumption. They need high import revenue to sustain all the debts corporation are under. Europe, Asia & some African nations don't provide as much revenue as US does alone (ie. around $450 B) next is Japan & South Korea (all US ally's). Regardless of China playing a victim card here. They have been stealing research data and intellectual properties of US companies.
Image a company spends $1-2 billion in R&D and you have other person who can take it in few millions in few months. Trump should reciprocate in similar way China treats foreign company and importers. Then you will have fair deal.
Majority of US companies are starting to setup factories in Cheap labor country to counter trade loss. Apple has already started assembling Iphones in India.
Quoting Guest
China doesn't have huge domestic consumption. They need high import revenue to sustain all the debts corporation are under. Europe, Asia & some African nations don't provide as much revenue as US does alone (ie. around $450 B) next is Japan & South Korea (all US ally's). Regardless of China playing a victim card here. They have been stealing research data and intellectual properties of US companies. Image a company spends $1-2 billion in R&D and you have other person who can take it in few millions in few months. Trump should reciprocate...
All countries, I repeat, all countries in the world have been stealing technologies from other countries. Do think that the US has never done it and that it's not doing it at this time? If you really think that you are wrong.
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