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  • Trump announces he will withdraw US from Iran nuclear deal and restore sanctions

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    President Donald Trump announced on Tuesday he will withdraw the United States from the Iran nuclear deal and restore sanctions on Tehran suspended under the 2015 accord. The landmark agreement lifted sanctions on Iran that crippled its economy and cut its oil exports roughly in half. In exchange for sanctions relief, Iran accepted limits on its nuclear program and allowed international inspectors into its facilities. Trump said he will restore sanctions on Iran, though he did not offer evidence that Tehran has violated the terms of the nuclear deal. Congressional sources tell CNBC the administration plans to wind ... (full story)

He said " Iran's pomise is LIE!!"
This shows that the American signature is not valid
good for USD
Now they’ll start bombing Iran.
Quoting edyraper
Now they’ll start bombing Iran.
Not necessarily but USA is indeed continuing the encirclement around Iran's sphere of influence, especially signing a peace treaty with North Korea will isolate Iran even further.
NutterYahoo's got his own way again, vassel Yanks!
Quoting blurstar
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Yup, i agree with you, Mr. T somehow accelerates WW3... his political decissions and his behavior attract america to war
This is never about NUKE. Same as North Korea.

Nuke pretext is similar to human rights, democracy, bla bla bla

Capitalism failed
Quoting blurstar
WW3 is coming, all the death to be responsible by trump and israel.
I see it differently. If we don't stop Iran from furthering progress towards nuclear capability, WW3 may indeed happen. This is because Iran has in the past repeatedly vowed to wipe Israel off the face of this earth. Before the current Iran deal, one member of the house has wanted to include 2 additional conditions into the deal namely (1) Iran to release American prisoner and (2) Iran to recognize Israel's right to exist. But both these conditions are blocked by democrats and Obama because they knew Iran will never accept the 2nd conditions.

Therefore, Israel will strike Iran (with or without third party help) before they come near to achieving nuclear capability. That is 100% without a doubt if Iran don't recognize Israel's right to exist. And that itself will set off a global conflict. You either contain Iran now and therefore contain Israel or you let Iran go and Israel will go after Iran later.
Quoting Hareii
{quote} I see it differently. If we don't stop Iran from furthering progress towards nuclear capability, WW3 may indeed happen. This is because Iran has in the past repeatedly vowed to wipe Israel off the face of this earth. Before the current Iran deal, one member of the house has wanted to include 2 additional conditions into the deal namely (1) Iran to release American prisoner and (2) Iran to recognize Israel's right to exist. But both these conditions are blocked by democrats and Obama because they knew Iran will never accept the 2nd conditions....
Why do you like to deceive people?
1. Iran has not attacked any country during the past 250 years
2. The only country in the Middle East that has a nuclear bomb is Israel. It has 400 nuclear bombs and the only Middle East country that has not signed NPT(Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons).
Hasbara
Quoting rafaeltodd
{quote} Why do you like to deceive people? 1. Iran has not attacked any country during the past 250 years
Are you kidding me? That eight year war between Iran and Iraq doesn't count for anything? If you had said Iran has not attacked any country in the last 10 years that would make sense. But you put in 'past 250 years'. Who is deceiving people? Let the other people judge for themselves.
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Quoting Hareii
{quote} Are you kidding me? That eight year war between Iran and Iraq doesn't count for anything? If you had said Iran has not attacked any country in the last 10 years that would make sense. But you put in 'past 250 years'. Who is deceiving people? Let the other people judge for themselves.
Ha Ha
Was it Iran invasion of Iraq? !!!!!
It was Iran that defended itself against Saddam's attack.

History is not simply distorted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_..._of_Iran_(1980)
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
Quoting rafaeltodd
{quote} Ha Ha Was it Iran invasion of Iraq? !!!!! It was Iran that defended itself against Saddam's attack. History is not simply distorted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_..._of_Iran_(1980)
Iran defended itself against Saddam's attack? It was an eight year war, and 6 out of that 8 years, Iran is on the offensive and Iraq is on the defensive trying to hold on to its own side of the border. How would that come across as Iran on DEFENSIVE? Iran forces has incurred into Iraq territories and they stopped only because they don't have enough military resources to go further and relented on a cease fire agreement knowing Iraq is simply too large to occupy.
'Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.'
Quoting Hareii
{quote} I see it differently. If we don't stop Iran from furthering progress towards nuclear capability, WW3 may indeed happen. This is because Iran has in the past repeatedly vowed to wipe Israel off the face of this earth. Before the current Iran deal, one member of the house has wanted to include 2 additional conditions into the deal namely (1) Iran to release American prisoner and (2) Iran to recognize Israel's right to exist. But both these conditions are blocked by democrats and Obama because they knew Iran will never accept the 2nd conditions....
Excellent analysis and quite the obvious truth.

You forgot to add: Iran a huge sponsor of terrorism is up to no good with nuclear weapons. Which sane country comes out openly to say "we'll wipe Israel (or any other country) off the earth?"

It beats my imagination that people ignore such foolish talk from Iran and instead focus on trivialities.
I just put these 2 statements side by side and you judge for yourself:

rafaeltodd say: "1. Iran has not attacked any country during the past 250 years"

Wikipedia (which arfaeltodd has quoted as reference) say: "For the next six years, Iran was on the offensive[45] until near the end of the war.[40]".

So, if one day, Israel go on the offensive against Iran to defend itself, are you saying that Israel has not attacked any country?
Quoting Hareii
{quote} Iran defended itself against Saddam's attack? It was an eight year war, and 6 out of that 8 years, Iran is on the offensive and Iraq is on the defensive trying to hold on to its own side of the border. How would that come across as Iran on DEFENSIVE? Iran forces has incurred into Iraq territories and they stopped only because they don't have enough military resources to go further and relented on a cease fire agreement knowing Iraq is simply too large to occupy.
I brought you a resource. I agree with you, Let the other people judge for themselves.

It's interesting that you do not have any discussion about the second issue:

2. The only country in the Middle East that has a nuclear bomb is Israel. It has 400 nuclear bombs and the only Middle East country that has not signed NPT(Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons).

I hope to agree with me in this case
Quoting Ken A
'Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.'
The Chinese communist party is a master at this. Look at the millions of death caused by the cultural revolution and the uncounted number who died on 6/4 Tiananmen massacre. Here we are talking about atrocities at the next level, killing your own brothers and sisters.
Just wondering, now that we know EU is "going to" support Iran and their investments in Iran, meaning they (alongside of other countries) have been pro this deal for a few years now, would that mean USD will lost strength? Especially against EUR?
Quoting rafaeltodd
{quote}2. The only country in the Middle East that has a nuclear bomb is Israel. It has 400 nuclear bombs and the only Middle East country that has not signed NPT(Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons). I hope to agree with me in this case
It is not that I don't have option on second issue. Just that I want to target focus on a single point so as not to distract from the subtle point which may risk buried in too many focuses. I am all for fairness. If Israel has nuclear capability, my opinion is that the same yardstick and treatment should be applied equally.

The main 'problem' now is there is no people/country who has submitted enough evidence of Israel's nuclear bombs to the UN and pressure the western powers to put pressure on Israel. Iran's nuclear capability evidences were exposed without a shadow of doubts to the world. If Iran can do the same to Israel in exposing them, Trump will look like a fool siding one side and not the other. If Iran has not enough technological edge to spy on Israel, surely Russia has its arsenal of cutting edge satellites to look into Israel for any tell-tale sign of nuclear capability. But even Russia has not produced any of such evidences to bring Israel to accountability.

The key is still credible evidence. If there is, Israel will not be left alone as it is today and it will face all sorts of pressure from the middle eastern countries all pressing UN to take action.
US be like: Noone should make Nukes, we have nukes to prevent you to build nukes.

Quoting mehdi99
Just wondering, now that we know EU is "going to" support Iran and their investments in Iran, meaning they (alongside of other countries) have been pro this deal for a few years now, would that mean USD will lost strength? Especially against EUR?
EU are in agreement to keep on Iran deal, US are alone with these actions, I would like to see how are they going pressure EU to add sanctions on Iran if both EU and Iran are keeping the deal alive.
Israel just carried out airstrike against Syria following this Iran nuclear deal. See the connection here?
Quoting Hareii
{quote} It is not that I don't have option on second issue. Just that I want to target focus on a single point so as not to distract from the subtle point which may risk buried in too many focuses....
If you don't want to open your eyes to the truth, So I can't do anything for you.
My discussion with you is finished now.
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Quoting Mitiblotch
It beats my imagination that people ignore such foolish talk from Iran and instead focus on trivialities.
What you call trivialities happen to be principles enshrined into a United Nations Security Council resolution the legal basis for doing business with Iran internationally. Do you hear me? That is what has just been violated by Trump. Now ask yourself where does lawlessness including international lawlessness lead? If we promote lawlessness in the world as Trump has done where will it end? Does lawlessness increase or reduce international security? And on and on and on. You need to think through things before taking sides if not because of yourself (lets assume you are old, expired and soon to die so you no longer want anything of life) what about your children? What world would you want to leave for the children boss? A lawless world? Think about the children boss!

The Crow (-_-)
Quoting Ken A
Israel just carried out airstrike against Syria following this Iran nuclear deal. See the connection here?
yes, also "israel deploys defenses and puts trops on high alert for an atack", and they are the ones that just atacked, such irony
Quoting mokuro89
US be like: Noone should make Nukes, we have nukes to prevent you to build nukes.
This position is also maintained by other nuclear capable big boys like Russia and China. They will not tolerate the smaller boy from having the same toy as the big boys have. The reason they cannot do the same to the other big boys is because they cannot force them into submission. Will China tolerate Japan to have nuclear capability? Will Russia tolerate Ukraine to have nuclear capability? Every big boys will stand in unity to disarm the small boys from their nuclear capability because it goes against their interest. Even NK a long time ally of China and serve as an important buffer zone between China border and SK border where US troops are stationed, is a long time target for China to want to denuclearize.
Quoting mokuro89
{quote} yes, also "israel deploys defenses and puts trops on high alert for an atack", and they are the ones that just atacked, such irony
Sad World.
Quoting rafaeltodd
{quote} Why do you like to deceive people? 1. Iran has not attacked any country during the past 250 years 2. The only country in the Middle East that has a nuclear bomb is Israel. It has 400 nuclear bombs and the only Middle East country that has not signed NPT(Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons).
i find people are to easy to dismiss the truth and history iran went to war 3 times against israel , and have sent troups to other countrys to fight for them
Quoting rafaeltodd
{quote} If you don't want to open your eyes to the truth, So I can't do anything for you. My discussion with you is finished now.
Truth has to be backed by credible evidence. You cannot go to the court judge and accuse someone of possessing a dangerous weapon without submitting any credible evidence for the judge to rule. If there is credible evidence, there is no reasons why Israel should be let off the hooks. NO middle eastern countries will tolerate that, least of them Iran. But why Iran and all the middle eastern countries has not kicked up a storm in UN over this issue. They would if they could. Key word: lack of credible evidence.
Quoting Hareii
{quote} Truth has to be backed by credible evidence. You cannot go to the court judge and accuse someone of possessing a dangerous weapon without submitting any credible evidence for the judge to rule. If there is credible evidence, there is no reasons why Israel should be let off the hooks. NO middle eastern countries will tolerate that, least of them Iran. But why Iran and all the middle eastern countries has not kicked up a storm in UN over this issue. They would if they could. Key word: lack of credible evidence.
Mordechai Vanunu... i suggest you do some googling
Quoting fahad516
{quote} Mordechai Vanunu... i suggest you do some googling
We are talking about "credible" evidence. The french has a long history of working with the Israel on their nuclear technology. The french has all records of previous cooperation and exchanges and intimate details of Israel nuclear capability I supposed. The Russian who is now ally with Syria and Iran has all the technological capability to spy from satellite and catch Israel with its pants down just like they (the US and Israel) did with Iran. If both Russia and French are keeping silent on Israel nuclear capability, their silence speak for itself.

The lack of credible evidence is not equated to saying no credible evidence. A court may rule an open verdict not amounting to acquittal on ground of lack of credible evidence and does not dismiss the possibility of credible evidence submitted in future. But the court cannot proceed ahead to rule a guilty verdict without credible evidence just because everyone seem to say so and the court judge in his private capacity probably also agree.

The key word is still LACK of credible evidence, not saying that there is no credible evidence. Whoever has that credible evidence (the French especially) has to expose it in public and today is not being done for Israel case for whatever reasons (which there are many presentations of French stand on this issue which is further reinforced by Iran's persistent stance to wipe Israel off the face of this earth and denying its right to exist.). If today, it is rather Israel's persistent stance to want to wipe Iran from the face of this earth and denying its right to exist, the table would probably be turned against Israel and French would not hesitate to act like Trump to pressure Israel to denuclearize.
Maybe let me put the entire matter in another perspective. Let say if today, this cancellation of deal with Iran were to be one made by Obama and not Trump, and have been smoothed by Obama's non-confrontational smooth talking and "objectively" presentation of facts and logic to the world, I speculate that a lot of the critique will disappear and may even turned supportive. Possible? Probably? You knew the answer deep down in your heart.

The issue is really one of Trump, not so much the cancellation of deal. The issue is still one of Trump, not so much about trade tariff. That is why the entire world is dumbfounded when NK decided to talk and the word that no one would imagine will happen came out of Kim's mouth "denuclearize". No one perhaps, except Trump supporters will think it is possible simply because the issue is one of Trump.
What is North Korea thinking after US nullified Iran nuclear deal?

😜

Do you think they can trust that US will hold up the end of the bargain?
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NK wants to paint the interior of the White House

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Quoting TCentral
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Yes, no bomb pls. No war pls. And to ensure that, some tough decision has to be made. For someone who persistently think and declare that he can wipe out an entire race from the surface of earth and who think he has the god given rights to deny another race of the right to exist, and which is not achievable by any conventional weapons by any measure of mass deployment, but only achievable by the sole mean of the detonation of a nuclear bomb, that nuclear capability has therefore to be denied to that regime absolutely.

Today's nuclear capability vested in existing nuclear capable countries are used solely for deterrent purpose. But that cannot be said for a regime that has repeatedly voiced their desire and goal to exterminate an entire race from the surface of the earth. When the phrase "denying their right to exist" is used in the same context and same breath, you know they meant serious and we cannot just treat it as just pure rhetoric.
Quoting Ken A
What is North Korea thinking after US nullified Iran nuclear deal? 😜 Do you think they can trust that US will hold up the end of the bargain?
The Iran deal cancellation was probably decided many days back before US trade negotiation teams went to China. US trade negotiation team probably passed to Xi Trump's message of impending Iran deal cancellation and seek his help to communicate and reassure NK. Xi invited Kim to China for this purpose and Trump give Xi a phone call today to ascertain that everything is ok before he announced the deal cancellation.

Maybe my imagination, but things seem to click together. Denuclearization of NK is one of China's agenda and I believe they will do whatever they can to help further this.
In my book, this is proof Donnie is Bebe's favorite boy. Watch closely -- there will be a lot of Trump properties built in Jerusalem and other major cities in Israel.
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IMHO the reimposition of sanctions against Iran has potential to create significant problems between The US and the other parties to the Iran Agreement.. (China, UK, France, Russia and Germany). in Financial markets.
The nature of US control/influence in global banking and financial flows will bring US sanctions into conflict with the legitimate economic and banking interests of the other signatories who have made it clear that they will not withdraw, or cooperate with US sanctions. Investors and traders need to look carefully at the implications of this in their own portfolios. One unhelpful consequence will be to provide impetus to the further development of financial and banking channels firewalled from US jurisdiction.
You can see some of the Trump lies about Iran here:

AP FACT CHECK: Trump vs. truth on the Iran nuclear deal
Of course, we also have to look at what other people said about Iran lies to have a more complete picture:

https://nypost.com/2018/04/30/irans-...important-now/
Quoting rafaeltodd
You can see some of the Trump lies about Iran here: AP FACT CHECK: Trump vs. truth on the Iran nuclear deal
Iran is only months away from acquiring a nuclear bomb but why did they suddenly abort and accept a deal that supposedly crippled their ability to advance after having coming so close to achieving it. Did that deal give to Iran any much bigger incentives than the cost of compromise to abort whatever progress that they have achieved in their nuclear program? Apparently not, according to an interview on this matter with a journalist based in Iran, US sanctions are not totally lifted off when the deal was struck. US still maintain some of the sanctions which Iran 'happily' accepted as part of the deal.

In my opinion the real reason is because Iran has not the capability at that time to deliver any nuclear bomb even if they managed to produce it to a distance more than 1000 km away. The distance between Iran and Israel is approx 1,700 km. The missing link is that ballistic capability to deliver a bomb more than 2000 km away.

There are many attempts by Obama administration to attempt to include restriction of ballistic missile capability in the now canceled JCPOA Iran nuclear deal but was rejected absolutely by Iran. In the end Obama relented and push ahead with JCPOA without any restriction placed on Iran's ballistic missile capability but relegate the check to UN Security Council resolution—Resolution 2231.

After JCPOA was signed, Iran got back part of its revenue from the lifting of much of the sanctions and its military expenditure reportedly went up by 40%. Following the signing of JCPOA, Iran conducted at least 5 known ballistic missile tests in defiance of UN Security Council resolution on related missile tests. It was also reported that at least one of these missile has the wording "Israel must be wiped off the face of the earth" inscribed on it. Today, it is claimed that Iran ballistic missile is capable of reaching 2000 km which put Israel with range of Iranian missile.

Iran is only buying time to develop their missile reach to be able to hit Israel when they agree on the deal with Obama administrative. They are only months away from a nuclear bomb and that is not even an event. The JCPOA deal even if not canceled now will expired in a few years time, after that what's next?

The current JCPOA deal does not prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb later, but only freezing it and stalling for time. What Trump want is a new deal that absolutely prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb and not just stalling for time.

In these years of past presidency, Trump come across as a rare one who has so far shown strong political will to bulldoze across difficult issues that past president has not wanted to confront, be it trade issue or nuclear issue. If it is not this idiotic Trump who will turn the table upside down to demand a deal that absolutely prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb, who will have the strong political will to contain Iran after Trump leave the presidential office, at the time when the JCPOA expired? Today, Iran has the capability to deliver a bomb 2000 km away, and there will no longer be a need for them to compromise on a new deal and even if a new deal is negotiated, that few months of negotiation would be enough for Iran to build their first nuclear bomb. Then the bargaining card will be totally different.
If anyone wants to think about the FX impact of this news, it is driving up the price of oil since there will likely by sanctions against Iran, and the increase in the price of oil will strengthen the CAD. So, don't be in too much of a hurry to short the CAD any time soon.
Quoting eozdural
If anyone wants to think about the FX impact of this news, it is driving up the price of oil since there will likely by sanctions against Iran, and the increase in the price of oil will strengthen the CAD. So, don't be in too much of a hurry to short the CAD any time soon.
why would anyone hurry?
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