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    A gunman opened fire on concertgoers at a country music concert on the Las Vegas Strip Sunday night, killing at least 20 people and injuring “in excess of 100” before being killed by authorities, police said. Witnesses told the Associated Press that they could see muzzle flashes coming from the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino’s high floors and described the sound of automatic gunfire. Police said they confronted the gunman on the hotel’s 32nd floor. Police said the gunman was a local resident but did not identify him. The shooting appeared to take place near the Route 91 Harvest Festival, a three-day country ... (full story)

Long live the amendment 2!
feel like is more safe to live in EU even with all this terorist atacks at least not all sick brains have the right by law to have a gun and go insane when they want killing innocent people.soon in usa everybody will be afraid of everybody,scarry times.
Take what you can, give nothing back
the law should allow to have a gun for verified and healthy citizens, sick brains will always get a gun on the black market if want to kill. Why to not have the right to defend yourself?...
Quoting Husky77
Long live the amendment 2! feel like is more safe to live in EU even with all this terorist atacks at least not all sick brains have the right by law to have a gun and go insane when they want killing innocent people.soon in usa everybody will be afraid of everybody,scarry times.
ahha you clearly don't know what you are talking about, I've heard of one shooting of this type in america this year, and there's already more then 50 terror attacks registered and reported across EU... In EU people are afraid to go and visit tourism places why because you never know when will be the next truck run over or the next train/tub explosion, or the next crazy asylum seeker from syria that pulls out his katanas and axe's and start chopping people... and the best thing is in US police has the right to shoot to kill if they don't comply here you need a very very very big and obvious justification for why you used a fire gun instead of your taser... Fucking rubbish laws....
Quoting sysdoc
the law should allow to have a gun for verified and healthy citizens, sick brains will always get a gun on the black market if want to kill. Why to not have the right to defend yourself?...

Exactly it's not the legal right to have a gun that is the problem.... This kind of people will find a gun legal or illegally... In EU it's not legal to have guns and guess what, they came already with bloody machine guns...
Quoting sysdoc
the law should allow to have a gun for verified and healthy citizens, sick brains will always get a gun on the black market if want to kill. Why to not have the right to defend yourself?...
''a gun'' ok i can agree with you till the point where that ''gun'' became a gun machine.and from what i saw in US you can buy a gun machine and even more.do really the people from usa need a gun machine to defend themselves?from who?from a neighbour?if you reach that point then no gun will save you in the end. i will not be surprised to find out the guy was really in good shape and he had gun papers.but you know a lot to talk after such sad incidents cos how many people same different point of view.as i live in a country where you dont have the right to carry a gun or if you want it there is a very very VERY VERY strict regulation ,from here my point of view.

Quoting zwara
{quote} in US police has the right to shoot to kill if they don't comply
thats normal from police there knowing that almost everyone can have a gun inside his pants.more than 300 million guns in usa(not count the black market),think to this when to compare with EU.and then think how is to be a policeman in usa and a policeman in EU.kinda serious difference.
Take what you can, give nothing back
death toll now 50. more than 200 injured. what a sad day. may god give the families strength.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting Husky77
{quote} ''a gun'' ok i can agree with you till the point where that ''gun'' became a gun machine.and from what i saw in US you can buy a gun machine and even more.do really the people from usa need a gun machine to defend themselves? i will not be surprised to find out the guy was really in good shape and he had gun papers.but you know a lot to talk after such sad incidents cos how many people same different point of view.as i live in a country where you dont have the right to carry a gun or if you want it there is a very very VERY VERY strict regulation...
I agree with not complaint shoot to kill right police officers need to defend them selfs and citizens have to respect the command of a police officer if they do they wont get shoot at not by the police at least, I was criticizing the EU restrictions over police actions against this crazy people that infested our lands.
We are all living on a very small dot travelling thru the vastness of space not having a clue about anything and we do this to ourselves. That is so fucking ridiculous
Every adult male MUST take home a machine gun here; exception - unless doctor can certify that you are psychologically unfit.
If you refuse to do the service and take the ammunitions&gun home, you go to jail.
Gun violence, almost zero - only immigrated criminal foreigners fight among themselves.
Not guns but people are the problem
Quoting Wachturm
We are all living on a very small dot travelling thru the vastness of space not having a clue about anything and we do this to ourselves. That is so fucking ridiculous
is so true, just sad.
Quoting highway
Every adult male MUST take home a machine gun here; exception - unless doctor can certify that you are psychologically unfit. If you refuse to do the service and take the ammunitions&gun home, you go to jail. Gun violence, almost zero - only immigrated criminal foreigners fight among themselves. Not guns but people are the problem
israel or switzerland ?
All these internet genius opinions before the facts are even out yet. .
On top all the country music lovers I know are pretty down to earth, heartwarming people. So sad. My condolences.
Invest in alarm clocks
Quoting highway
Every adult male MUST take home a machine gun here; exception - unless doctor can certify that you are psychologically unfit. If you refuse to do the service and take the ammunitions&gun home, you go to jail. Gun violence, almost zero - only immigrated criminal foreigners fight among themselves. Not guns but people are the problem

ok I understand your point that if it's legal everybody will want a machine gun to brag about with friends although I don't agree with this way of doing thngs, But what I don't understand is how the hell you get into a Hotel that is supposed to have some sort of security measures and some cheap metal detectors, and probably because it's a posh hotel maybe a couple of sniffing dogs WITH A FUCKING MACHINE GUN AND LOADS OF AMMUNITION... one thing is being legal to have a machine gun but a completely diff thing is carrying the machine gun around like we all are in cowboys ERA again...

The problem doesn't reside only on the law that legalize guns, but how the lawmens control the handling of these guns in public.

MoOshu I will just disregard your comment of so silly it is... lolol I can just laugh when ppl do comments like yours very useful and full of interesting content, you would be better of if you did not even write anything lols...
Husky77: You can only buy single shot or semi automatic guns in the US w/o jumping through a whole lot of hoops. Had a friend who was licensed for a home made cannon using black powder. He would bank it in the sand to fire at targets. That was fun. Much is misrepresented re guns such as "assault weapons" based on some perception of them being scary looking. Actually no difference from other guns with similar performance. It's like calling one hammer an assault hammer. Too early to tell about this story but murders committed by legal gun owners passing the typical background checks is ~0.1%.
Quoting Mooshu22
All these internet genius opinions before the facts are even out yet. .
white man sick in his head over 60 years old Las Vegas resident no way to tell it was from isis ,with a lot of power machine guns killed a lot of innocent peoples.
wtf of other facts you wait? or why any other facts than innocent people are dead will really matter after this?
ohhh you wait Scully and Mulder to finish their report.ok then.
Take what you can, give nothing back
Quoting zwara
{quote} ok I understand your point that if it's legal everybody will want a machine gun to brag about with friends although I don't agree with this way of doing things, ...
No, you don't understand nothing. This is country of grown ups. No one brags about having guns. The moment one takes up the machine gun and leaves home, there are only 2 things and certainly not bragging. Grow up and travel a bit.
I respect you don't agree with what is outside your box of thoughts.
Nevertheless it is centuries old successful policies. This is not a hooligan country. Even in NWFP, most people are armed in the tribal areas, but shoot outs are rare.
"easy access to guns and ammunition. Is that so hard to accept for some of you ?"..........don't look now Patterson, but you have just made it a political issue, revealing your transparent political sentiments yourself............
Quoting Husky77
{quote} white man sick in his head over 60 years old Las Vegas resident no way to tell it was from isis ,with a lot of power machine guns killed a lot of innocent peoples. wtf of other facts you wait? or why any other facts than innocent people are dead will really matter after this? ohhh you wait Scully and Mulder to finish their report.ok then.
ISIS claiming responsibility - market taking incident as norm
The problem are not guns...but prescription drugs which most of the population takes like it was vitamin pills...but in reality they make people nuts as a side effect. You can't fix your depression with an anti-depressant, that will only make it worse.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
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Quoting OnlineAddict
The problem are not guns...but prescription drugs which most of the population takes like it was vitamin pills...but in reality they make people nuts as a side effect. You can't fix your depression with an anti-depressant, that will only make it worse.

Hail to you someone has their eyes open ..... what you said my friend is nothing but the cruel truth that the random SHEEP refuse to see/understand....
Quoting highway
{quote}Your post shows you that you are still wet behind your ears. You live and reason only inside you box. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1OgV449g

They don't need guns in Swiss lands enough said mate... THEY ARE EDUCATED AND BECOME GROWN UP not wild-lings with fire power...

The key-point here is EDUCATION... allow me to quote something here.
"Instead of a standing, full-time army, the country requires every man to undergo some form of military training for a few days or weeks a year throughout most of their lives. Between the ages of 21 and 32 men serve as frontline troops. They are given an M-57 assault rifle and 24 rounds of ammunition which they are required to keep at home. Once discharged, men serve in the Swiss equivalent of the US National Guard, but still have to train occasionally and are given bolt rifles. Women do not have to own firearms, but are encouraged to. " again reinforcing the word EDUCATION, not all have guns but they are assessed and train to have the gun and them allowed to carry one.

In US any prank or kid or mental ill person is allowed to have a gun even if sometimes they don't even know how to use it safely.

BTW do you even have a small resemble of how the Swiss society works? and why is Swiss a organised and pleasant and safe country to live in? and why they don't need guns to feel safe, they have the guns to protect themselves not to feel safe?

hmmm I'll just rest my case because I won't argue here... it's just a open forum where people give their opinions I gave my and I respect the other people opinions, so yours is also respect...

take care mate...

Weapons industry is the biggest in USA, so they will always be a reference to us ppl... like the ridiculous news that came out of the secretary of defense saying they will sell missiles worth 300millions to north korea... that's just one of the silly examples... so I understand why free weapons are a law in US or should I call it a business...

now I rest my case.
cheers
Quoting zwara
{quote} They don't need guns in Swiss lands enough said mate... THEY ARE EDUCATED AND BECOME GROWN UP not wild-lings with fire power... The key-point here is EDUCATION... BTW do you even have a small resemble of how the Swiss society works? and why is Swiss a organised and pleasant and safe country to live in? and why they don't need guns to feel safe, they have the guns to protect themselves not to feel safe? hmmm I'll just rest my case because I won't argue here... it's just a open forum where people give their opinions I gave my and I...
Fine, mate - no hard feelings
Quoting highway
{quote} Fine, mate - no hard feelings

none at all stay safe mate
Quoting OnlineAddict
The problem are not guns...but prescription drugs which most of the population takes like it was vitamin pills...but in reality they make people nuts as a side effect. You can't fix your depression with an anti-depressant, that will only make it worse.
maybe it contributes to it...but murder is older than guns, knives and Xanax.
Thanks I do this often.
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} maybe it contributes to it...but murder is older than guns, knives and Xanax.
Nice.
Approaching to the root of the problem.
Quoting zwara
{quote} They don't need guns in Swiss lands enough said mate... THEY ARE EDUCATED AND BECOME GROWN UP not wild-lings with fire power... The key-point here is EDUCATION...
talking about education
sorry to ask ... but can this be real ? i just ask cos it comes from cnn shit ))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A51Gr0zpX_c
if things work like that then ...fuck!
Take what you can, give nothing back
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} maybe it contributes to it...but murder is older than guns, knives and Xanax.
Murder yes, but crazy people going around and shooting people in the public...that started with prescription drugs.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
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Quoting Husky77
{quote} talking about education sorry to ask ... but can this be real ? i just ask cos it comes from cnn shit )) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A51Gr0zpX_c if things work like that then ...fuck!

pretty much it's called money talks.... who needs ID if you can offer a very good tip to someone to sell you a gun... or you always have the black market option...
Quoting highway
{quote}Nice. Approaching to the root of the problem.

The root of the problem is called human kind... as simple as that... old fashion stupid human kind...
Quoting Husky77
{quote} white man sick in his head over 60 years old Las Vegas resident no way to tell it was from isis ,with a lot of power machine guns killed a lot of innocent peoples. wtf of other facts you wait? or why any other facts than innocent people are dead will really matter after this? ohhh you wait Scully and Mulder to finish their report.ok then.


You just solidified my original post.
Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Murder yes, but crazy people going around and shooting people in the public...that started with prescription drugs.
so isis is on Zoloft? there has been so many shootings before rx meds. 100s of them.
Thanks I do this often.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

first world #1: usa

the number of guns per 100 hab strongly correlates with the number of fire-related death rate. but sure, guns don´t kill people. dream on....

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/w...-13838146.html
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Delton should trucks be outlawed? remember Paris? man has used nearly everything to kill and destroy. taking things away isn't the answer. don't be so simple minded.
Thanks I do this often.
Quoting charterjoe
Delton should trucks be outlawed? remember Paris? man has used nearly everything to kill and destroy. taking things away isn't the answer. don't be so simple minded.
please do me a favour and use the qoute-function when replying.

how many deaths are caused on purpose by trucks?
how many deaths are caused on porpuse by guns?

trucks have a civil porpuse, guns don´t.

between 2001-2013 the death toll of gunfire inside the usa was 100 times higher than the number of us citizens killed by terrorism world-wide.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting deltaone
{quote} please do me a favour and use the qoute-function when replying. how many deaths are caused on purpose by trucks? how many deaths are caused on porpuse by guns? trucks have a civil porpuse, guns don´t.

civil unrest in america when the state and army shot and killed protesters when they protested against the Vietnam war sorry to say
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} all I am saying is if guns disappear because theybecome against the law, assholes will find ways to murder and mass murder. via knives, cars, look at the attacks abroad. and as far as guns not serving a purpose. you must not live in america. people here will bust the door in don't care if your home or not to rob you. this is what guns are for. you get to defend your own property like a small country. liberals want guns taken away so they can have unlimited power. remember hitler took the guns away 1st
murder will not be stopped by taken away guns, that´s right.
but no way you can tell me a knifer can kill 58 people + wounding 500+. total madness that weapons of war are legal anywhere on earth except for soldiers in a declared war.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} damn straight it's not going to happen soon....go read about ww2 Hitler took the guns during peace and how did that turn out? I'm reading that isis has said he was a solider for them. so how is taking 9mm and shotguns from law abiding citizens going to stop mass shootings. so funny to hear liberals talk "if guns were illegal people would use something legal to murder with and there would be less murders" brilliant. people ride over pedestrians as well. let's ban cars
Yeah, I'm sure you're reading lots of "stories" peddled by Breitbart and various "activists" on Twitter and Facebook - you're an adult and supposed to engage your critical thinking to help you tell apart facts from BS. ISIS had nothing to do with it - in fact, most terrorist acts in this country are perpetrated by white males, not refugees or Islamic converts. BTW, I know it won't sit well with the likes of you, but I do include hate crimes in this category. That's a fact - feel free to check it for yourself, only I know you won't.

The parallels between cars and guns are frankly too moronic to even merit a reply. And nobody is proposing fully outlawing guns - only reduce the insane amounts in circulation and try and not sell them to lunatics. It's a verifiable fact that this country has almost half of the world's privately owned firearms, but makes up just 4% of the population. It's also a fact that in the number of deaths by firearm per capita, the U.S. dwarfs every other developed country. You think it's a pure coincidence?

All I said is that in order to understand what's happening you simply need to follow the money. People like you are being played by Smith Wesson et al.
Quoting Subdude
{quote} Yeah, I'm sure you're reading lots of "stories" peddled by Breitbart and various "activists" on Twitter and Facebook - you're an adult and supposed to engage your critical thinking to help you tell apart facts from BS. ISIS had nothing to do with it - in fact, most terrorist acts in this country are perpetrated by white males, not refugees or Islamic converts. BTW, I know it won't sit well with the likes of you, but I do include hate crimes in this category. That's a fact - feel free to check it for yourself, only I know...

you are 100% correct we never had any problems before guns. stupid guns ruined everything.
Thanks I do this often.
wasn't breitbair dumbass it was Islamic State isis twitter feed.
Thanks I do this often.
Quoting charterjoe
wasn't breitbair dumbass it was Islamic State isis twitter feed.
LOL, well if they are taking credit for a mass murder, it must be true - right? BTW, the word you were trying to use is spelled "vehicle", not "vehical".
Quoting Subdude
{quote} LOL, well if they are taking credit for a mass murder, it must be true - right? BTW, the word you were trying to use is spelled "vehicle", not "vehical".
all I said was isis claims he was their soldier.

since you have spelling down maybe you should take comprehension next.
Thanks I do this often.
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} largest mass killings are vehical not guns. largest spree was a vehical it was 69killed. largest spree with a knife was 30. like I said liberals want to take the guns so they can have more power. mass killing sprees happen all over the world the problem isn't with the object they use.
i disagree. i really hope that something like this won´t happen again in the us - but i´m sceptical. death tolls are correlated with guns, that´s a statistical fact. like in my first post, i´d like to wish the very best to all of those innocent victims and their families - something you have never ever articulated in your posts.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting deltaone
{quote} i disagree. i really hope that something like this won´t happen again in the us - but i´m sceptical. death tolls are correlated with guns, that´s a statistical fact. like in my first post, i´d like to wish the very best to all of those innocent victims and their families - something you have never ever articulated in your posts.
of course I feel for the family's it's aweful and horrible...most horrible thing on earth.

andit's a shame to believe guns did this. the heartless to shift blame to lax gun control.
Thanks I do this often.
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} all I said was isis claims he was their soldier. since you have spelling down maybe you should take comprehension next.
I comprehend just fine - the jury is still out on you. Who cares what they claim if it is not confirmed by any evidence? Is every mass murderer now affiliated with ISIS, if they claim so? Have you read anything about the killer?
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} of course I feel for the family's it's aweful and horrible...most horrible thing on earth. andit's a shame to believe guns did this. the heartless to shift blame to lax gun control.
ofc. you say you feel for them, in your post #13 on this news...
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting Subdude
{quote} I comprehend just fine - the jury is still out on you. Who cares what they claim if it is not confirmed by any evidence? Is every mass murderer now affiliated with ISIS, if they claim so? Have you read anything about the killer?
time will tell. like I said they claimed him. it's up to the f.b.i. to maybe give some answers not you.
Thanks I do this often.
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} time will tell. like I said they claimed him. it's up to the f.b.i. to maybe give some answers not you.
I claim that a pink teapot is rotating around the moon. It's up to NASA to deny it, not you.
NO subdude if you make an assertion the burden of proof is on YOU.
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} time will tell. like I said they claimed him. it's up to the f.b.i. to maybe give some answers not you.
Marilou is of Indonesian Origin. Would there be a cover up by the state if radical Islam is involved?
Quoting Subdude
{quote} I claim that a pink teapot is rotating around the moon. It's up to NASA to deny it, not you.

its true
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-gun-violence

No other country has this many shootings and no other country has so many guns in private hands. If guns aren't the problem then the only other explanation is that the US has more deranged people than other countries.
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} so isis is on Zoloft? there has been so many shootings before rx meds. 100s of them.
How many of them were ISIS in the States? Its mostly people who are on meds, veterans, etc...they get nuts and go outside and start shooting for no reason.
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[quote=zwara;10347824]{quote} ahha you clearly don't know what you are talking about, I've heard of one shooting of this type in america this year, and there's already more then 50 terror attacks registered and reported across EU...

Have a look at this then
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/mass-shooting
Give the child a toy and then tell him he should not play with it.

BTW, another US " "Super-Mystic" " that appears and shoot from multiple places at the same time, and "no one has a clue". ...not even "independent" media.....
Quoting zwara
{quote} But what I don't understand is how the hell you get into a Hotel that is supposed to have some sort of security measures and some cheap metal detectors, and probably because it's a posh hotel maybe a couple of sniffing dogs WITH A FUCKING MACHINE GUN AND LOADS OF AMMUNITION...
A Hotel with a metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs? lol What are you thinking?

I'm sure a Hotel would have metal detectors and dogs with a high ranking government official or some very high profile people are staying at a hotel but they aren't going to screen people on an average day.
Quoting Husky77
{quote} ''a gun'' ok i can agree with you till the point where that ''gun'' became a gun machine.and from what i saw in US you can buy a gun machine and even more.do really the people from usa need a gun machine to defend themselves?from who?from a neighbour?if you reach that point then no gun will save you in the end. i will not be surprised to find out the guy was really in good shape and he had gun papers.but you know a lot to talk after such sad incidents cos how many people same different point of view.as i live in a country where you dont...
I think you are conflating facts. Americans can not legally own or purchase Automatic weapons, such as you refer to as "machine guns!" Even semi automatic weapons are limited with a severe back ground check. There are also laws on the books that limits the size of a cartridge in how many rounds of ammo a firearm can hold. Guess what? The mad gunman had ten guns to circumvent that law. The point is, no matter what, no amount of gun control laws are going to stop a crazed lunatic from committing mass murder like the one in Vegas and that is true anywhere around the world. So the debate of eliminating guns altogether is a flawed argument on face value alone.Consider that less than 1% of all homicides committed with a firearm are due to either suicide or safety issues, a majority of all massacres are committed with illegally obtained firearms and not by responsible registered gun owners.
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} The point is, no matter what, no amount of gun control laws are going to stop a crazed lunatic from committing mass murder like the one in Vegas and that is true anywhere around the world. So the debate of eliminating guns altogether is a flawed argument on face value alone..
If this is true one would expect other developed countries to have a similar rate of mass shootings per head of the population as the USA. But they don't. So what is it in America that leads to you having so many of these incidents?
Quoting bartlby37
{quote} If this is true one would expect other developed countries to have a similar rate of mass shootings per head of the population as the USA. But they don't. So what is it in America that leads to you having so many of these incidents?

Actually if you think that Europe hasn't had their fare share of mass shootings or for that matter mass killings by other means or are immune to such tragedies then your premise for making such arguments is intellectually devoid of facts. In fact if you account for population and data that accounts per capita then the US doesn't even lead in that category. The US may have a higher rate of Homicides due to guns, (that is not taking into account the gangland violence in Chicago alone that rarely gets reported by the MSM that contributes largely to those statistics) but they certainly don't lead when is comes to category of mass shootings. Also Nevertheless, I also like the fact that you fail to acknowledge one important statistic in relation to most mass shootings both in the US and elsewhere. That most firearms used were not legally obtained, not all but most cases. Why is it that when people like you who try to make such arguments on the contrary always forget or purposely omit that one important factor?

https://www.flemishpeaceinstitute.eu...ween-2009-2015

https://thejacknews.com/law/gun-righ...s-than-europe/
Quoting zwara
{quote} ahha you clearly don't know what you are talking about, I've heard of one shooting of this type in america this year, and there's already more then 50 terror attacks registered and reported across EU... In EU people are afraid to go and visit tourism places why because you never know when will be the next truck run over or the next train/tub explosion, or the next crazy asylum seeker from syria that pulls out his katanas and axe's and start chopping people... and the best thing is in US police has the right to shoot to kill if they don't...
We are not afraid to go out,in the least,we never shall be. Our children have never been shot in their schools.
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Actually if you think that Europe hasn't had their fare share of mass shootings or for that matter mass killings by other means or are immune to such tragedies then your premise for making such arguments is intellectually devoid of facts. In fact if you account for population and data that accounts per capita then the US doesn't even lead in that category. The US may have a higher rate of Homicides due to guns, (that is not taking into account the gangland violence in Chicago alone that rarely gets reported by the MSM that contributes largely...
Sorry - people like me? What is it that you think you know about me? And I wasn't making an argument I was asking a question. I appreciate the links you posted. I nowhere suggested the Europe was immune from such events, only that we seem to have less of them. The Flemish Peace Institute says there were 19 mass shootings with 319 fatalities in Europe between 2009 and 2015. I think the USA has more than that with a population a bit less than half that of Europe. I don't know who 'Jack News' are but with a quick internet search I can find articles in The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-lea...ngs-1443905359), Time Magazine (http://time.com/4007909/gun-violence-mass-shootings/), The Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/science/scien...824-story.html) all saying that the USA has far more of these types of events than any other developed country.
It is obvious that authorities in the US should allow festival guests to carry arms freely.
Fc it, in fact everyone should be free to carry arms in the US.
No I asked a question. I'm quite capable of making an argument if that's what I want to do. Do I have an opinion. Of course I do but the only way to greater understanding is to ask and consider the opinions of those I might not naturally agree with - that is what I was trying to do.
Quoting bartlby37
No I asked a question. I'm quite capable of making an argument if that's what I want to do. Do I have an opinion. Of course I do but the only way to greater understanding is to ask and consider the opinions of those I might not naturally agree with - that is what I was trying to do.
My apologies if I mistook your original statement as trying to make a case for labeling the US with such a dubious distinction that is not unique to the rest of the world as opposed to asking a question. You are free to have an opinion, but be prepared to back that opinion up with actual facts, not based on some sources that have been known not to be truthful with reporting of them.

Here are more links that discredits your sources

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/co...us-and-europe/

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-...t-murder-rates
Quoting zwara
{quote} They don't need guns in Swiss lands enough said mate... THEY ARE EDUCATED AND BECOME GROWN UP not wild-lings with fire power... The key-point here is EDUCATION... allow me to quote something here. "Instead of a standing, full-time army, the country requires every man to undergo some form of military training for a few days or weeks a year throughout most of their lives. Between the ages of 21 and 32 men serve as frontline troops. They are given an M-57 assault rifle and 24 rounds of ammunition which they are required to keep...
I agree with you about education but sadly some people just cannot be taught. Its like trying to teach a dog not to eat a rotten bone.

So the educated law abiding people need to be able to protect themselves.

I have been looking into this shooting and it appears there is more to it than meets the eye.

Looks like there were more than one shooter and was a full scale military style and very well planned attack that would of taken weeks or even month to orchestrate. Certainly not a lone old man that snapped.
20 Pips a day keeps centerlink away
Then what are all these people doing in prisons in the USA?
And do they count as "employees"?
http://www.prisonstudies.org/country...states-america
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The Australian system is far better. The government bought all our guns 20 years ago after a mass shooting. We haven't had a mass shooting over 4 people since. Our kids don't get shot up at school as well and community is fsr safer with less guns, especially the semi and auto military style weapons.
Only 12 comments censored .... not bad fellas. Remember a 4 year old shooting his mum when she was out shopping over there in crazy land. During the nutty election you had last year there seemed to be open season on your police force. Wont happen here in uk as 1. no guns 2. not seen a policeman in weeks (not sure we have any). Condolences to the bereaved but nothing will change...... nope nothing.
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
People with an agenda talk about the weapon. The questions should be what is it about our society that results in events like this. What causes the division, the hate, or the mental instability?
My condolence to the bereaved families. May God give strength to them to overcome this loss.
When the going gets tough , the tough get going
Quoting Alexeii
Why all the stupid americans here consistantly continie to refuse that guns are not the problem. Are you brain damaged or the government managed to brain wash you to a level that you have no conection with reallity?! GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM IDIOTS. They brain wash you all the time that you have enemies, that Russia is your enemy or Iraq or Iran or Lybia or Serbia 1999. You know what fuck you America. You are the only country in the world killing innocent people in wars with immaginary enemies. Soon people might start going out in the streets with rocket...
GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM IDIOTS.

I would change that to: IDIOTS WITH GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM.
damn, dude went crazy on the crowd. Next time dont get caught LACKING.
I wonder, these gun nuts, why do they go and shoot some peaceful citizens only?

Why they do not pay any visits to locations like: New York Stock Exchange or Börse Frankfurt (Frankfurt Stock Exchange), instead? Just to name a few...

This smells very fishy to me. If I want to hurt a system, I will try enter a hit in the heart or in the head. Will not kill some lame, unfortunate guys from the serving personnel (that is what the hard working citizens actually are)...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
When US starts bombing other countries, the weapon companies stocks rally such as Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, .......

Whenever there's mass shooting in US and "gun control" pops up, weapon sales jump and companies stock rally such as Smith & Wesson, .......

Hillary Clinton mentioned "Silencer" in her tweet and people are rushing to buy silencers ...........
Alexeii seems to have not noticed all the killing by others. Or maybe there is a distinction that much of it was done to their own countrymen such as the 60 million by Mao, 3 million by Pol Pot, etc. Oh, and what enabled that was the confiscation of guns.

Moneyzilla: When innocents are attacked the weak in a nation cry for more government repression - aka laws. Laws that would not prevent the killings. That is obvious from the places with the most gun violence also being places with the toughest anti gun laws.
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