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Now the great CHESS BOARD looks much more interesting ...with many "paths".
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Quoting Aussi
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Don't shake the world with this picture.
talk talk and only talk
Now 100 % chance that NK will do something stupid ...
Only reason NK even exists as a threat today is because China was backing it many years ago. China is the key. Solution would seem to be to negotiate with China and offer them something of greater value than whatever the existence of NK gives them. NK would fold up like a cheap tent.
Sure I have a trading plan. Buy low. Sell high. What's yours?
Quoting Trainman
Only reason NK even exists as a threat today is because China was backing it many years ago. China is the key. Solution would seem to be to negotiate with China and offer them something of greater value than whatever the existence of NK gives them. NK would fold up like a cheap tent.
Wise statements you make!
Quoting Mingary
Now 100 % chance that NK will do something stupid ...

Are you sponsored by the main stream media? You should state as much, so we understand your strange comments.
Why is a Raven like a Writing Desk?
Quoting Trainman
Only reason NK even exists as a threat today is because China was backing it many years ago. China is the key. Solution would seem to be to negotiate with China and offer them something of greater value than whatever the existence of NK gives them. NK would fold up like a cheap tent.
Yep for sure.
China is too big to threaten.. but bribe?
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As the stock markets are at extreme high levels, social mood is extreme high also, due to this people do not realize how dangerous the situation really is. I can only hope I am wrong.
Quoting Rastus81
{quote} Are you sponsored by the main stream media? You should state as much, so we understand your strange comments.

No, it's just basic psychology
for forks sake lets just get it on as frick all will happen and the world will work in tghe morning
Nk is just a tool to contain japan and SK for china. Same way they use Burma against Vietnam, Pakistan against India. Thats the strategy to keep challenging countries busy by pumping weapons and money to contain them. China will never take away support from NK.
basic laws of self preservation should be kicking in for Kim, since Trump was ok with eating cake with the chinese at the WH while 59 missles in 59 seconds or something hit Syria?
Quoting Trainman
Only reason NK even exists as a threat today is because China was backing it many years ago. China is the key. Solution would seem to be to negotiate with China and offer them something of greater value than whatever the existence of NK gives them. NK would fold up like a cheap tent.
Indeed, China is the key. But the very question is why is China so much attached to this poor isolated place, taking the risk of putting in jeopardy its relationship with its best trade partner, the US?

My ideas is that:
- the Chinese governement is affraid that if the north gets liberated, some US military bases would be set up in the country.
- China fought alongside NK 60years ago. Letting them down would be regarded as a defeat of the worst kind.
- If there is a mess in NK, millions of koreans would flee to China. China is not Europe, they won't be accepted. But they'd still be a risk to manage.

- The usual argument stating the NK is kind of a lab for China is completely wrong. 1/China has already experienced a similar regime than NK and 2/ There are a lot of provinces and cities in China that already have the function of a lab. No need of NK for that.
Read the package...if it says china...buy from anywhere but.
USA MSM is saying the response from NK to "locked and loaded" was that NK stated they will attack Guam. Please advise if other sources say differently.

With all due respect to the China discussion, a statement of intent to attack US territories is a declaration of war.
I know jack-sh* about real story on this.. But its scary, and could generate big volitility if something kicks off.
@AWZH seems to know his stuff..
But heres some basics.. if your reading but not briefed..
Like @AWZH said, Chinas support for North Korea dates back to the Korean War. Since the war, China has lent political and economic backing to North Koreas leaders and provides North Korea with most of its food and energy supplies and accounts for upwards of 90 percent of North Koreas total trade volume. Apparently Beijing's No. 1 priority is stability. V. Concerned to have buffer between SK with US military presence on its doorstep.

Chinas big concern is destabilisation in NK with big impact neighboring regions of China and even huge influx of refugees.(Few people realise that Chinas built a Trump style wall..(actually a v. big Fence) along the NK border to stop refugees from NK. big problem)
Theres for sure no solution to this without China front and centre. And unfortunately Mr Trump has been shouting the odds for years about Chinas trade imbalance, how hes going to punish them. That and South China Sea issue, Taiwan etc. means hes got little trust or confidence in Chinese camp. Not a good start.

Anyway heres a good US based link for closeup info on the NK..
Anyone whos interested..https://www.nknews.org/
NK Official Newsagency: http://www.kcna.kp/kcna.user.home.re...InfoList.kcmsf
sources:CFR & various
I imagine China likes having that buffer of NK between them and South Korea. There are 20,000+ US troops based in South Korea and they won't want them sitting right on their doorstep
Quoting kenleander
USA MSM is saying the response from NK to "locked and loaded" was that NK stated they will attack Guam. Please advise if other sources say differently. With all due respect to the China discussion, a statement of intent to attack US territories is a declaration of war.
Absolutely. But I think something got lost in the translation. IMHO, NK meant to say that they will drop some unarmed missiles into the sea near Guam. Am I wrong about this?
Sure I have a trading plan. Buy low. Sell high. What's yours?
I only hope everyone here have enough time to close the positions. .

In case of war, we'll probably see CHF moving few thousands of pips instantly.
Hey buddy, let's grab some Pips!
China will support the US if NK attack first. This declaration is key, any aggression by the US and China will take steps to get involved. America would love to have troops stationed right next to China without NK in the way. However China know this and don't want this to happen which is why China supports NK. As long as all fat boy does is keep calling names everything will be fine. I would imagine China wish to keep the status quo and keep Kim in power as it suits them. A war is in no ones interest. However a smart move by China would be to invade NK for "humanitarian reasons". Install a Chinese force and keep the US away from their boarders.
Quoting Trainman
{quote} Absolutely. But I think something got lost in the translation. IMHO, NK meant to say that they will drop some unarmed missiles into the sea near Guam. Am I wrong about this?
To clarify again US MSM is saying the positions advanced after "locked and loaded". The response from NK wasn't missiles near Guam. They said they would ATTACK Guam.

BTW there is nothing about this in NK press at all. All they know is that Kim Jong-un is traveling all over the country being congratulated for his newest rocket and attending charity and social rallies. The Chinese have actually increased tourism to NK. If the US were to attack NK the NK people would view it as a completely unprovoked attack by an American aggressor. They've been kept in the dark.

The Germans and French are saying that the rhetoric on both sides is extreme. The British seem to be in a confused state.
I don't know if it is true that there are 60 miniaturized nukes in NK. But I wonder if the average British citizen is contemplating the security of their trade routes when that number increases to 600? 6000?

NK is the attack dog of China. It is barking and snarling and getting stronger every day.
We as people could stop this war tomorrow. If everyone said no more items from China, any product from China would be banned at port of entry and anyone selling goods from China would be closed down. China would be in NK tomorrow. As long as we (the people) keep buying goods from China there will be no incentive to get involved.
Quoting Hurst
We as people could stop this war tomorrow. If everyone said no more items from China, any product from China would be banned at port of entry and anyone selling goods from China would be closed down. China would be in NK tomorrow. As long as we (the people) keep buying goods from China there will be no incentive to get involved.
Next step : China selling the USD denominated assets
Next step : USD crash

Not to mention: Huge inflation in the US, lack of attractivity, decrease of foreign capital, lower investments. But huge investments will be needed since your manufacturing industry is plummetting for years...

Isolationism and anti-trade measures aren't the answer.
Quoting kenleander
I don't know if it is true that there are 60 miniaturized nukes in NK. But I wonder if the average British citizen is contemplating the security of their trade routes when that number increases to 600? 6000? NK is the attack dog of China. It is barking and snarling and getting stronger every day.
The US has 6000 nukes... why is that ok?

http://time.com/4893175/united-states-nuclear-weapons/
Why is a Raven like a Writing Desk?
Quoting kenleander
{quote} The British seem to be in a confused state.....
And as Michel Barnier will tell you... Not just about NK.... LoL

Quoting AiWoZhongHua
{quote} Next step : China selling the USD denominated assets Next step : USD crash Not to mention: Huge inflation in the US, lack of attractivity, decrease of foreign capital, lower investments. But huge investments will be needed since your manufacturing industry is plummetting for years... Isolationism and anti-trade measures aren't the answer.

OK @AWZH...
Now tell us the Bad News..
Quoting Rastus81
{quote} The US has 6000 nukes... why is that ok?
That's up to you to decide. We've made a lot of mistakes.

The Chinese might run things a whole lot better than we (Americans) have. Or they might be a whole lot worse. They do seem to keep their citizens in the dark about a lot of things. That's not a good sign.
Quoting Hurst
We as people could stop this war tomorrow. If everyone said no more items from China, any product from China would be banned at port of entry and anyone selling goods from China would be closed down. China would be in NK tomorrow. As long as we (the people) keep buying goods from China there will be no incentive to get involved.
Ooops better sell my AAPL holdings.. (Fast)
But where are all those American flags going to be made now..(as I recall 3/4 by value are made in China).
Wyoming I guess.
The jellyfish hate Trump but quickly flock to anything Trump. We need a jellyfish solution.
Quoting kenleander
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....They do seem to keep their citizens in the dark about a lot of things. That's not a good sign.
Maybe you're talking of Trump and his posse?

The quote above
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Ooops better sell my AAPL holdings.. (Fast) But where are all those American flags going to be made now..(as I recall 3/4 by value are made in China). Wyoming I guess.
Why?? FoxConn, the company that produces the iphone for Apple, will be building a $10 billion manufacturing facility in the US. And everyone says MAGAnomics is a failure. Eat crow.
Mark ... Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.
Quoting AiWoZhongHua
{quote} Next step : China selling the USD denominated assets Next step : USD crash Not to mention: Huge inflation in the US, lack of attractivity, decrease of foreign capital, lower investments. But huge investments will be needed since your manufacturing industry is plummetting for years... Isolationism and anti-trade measures aren't the answer.
An official CPoC rep??

Your economy is about to come crashing down on your head. MAGAnomics. Buy American. Hire American.
Mark ... Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.
Quoting Rastus81
{quote} The US has 6000 nukes... why is that ok? http://time.com/4893175/united-states-nuclear-weapons/

you got to be kidding
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
Quoting Aussi
{quote} you got to be kidding
Its easy enough to do a google search.
Why is a Raven like a Writing Desk?
Quoting spzd
{quote} An official CPoC rep?? Your economy is about to come crashing down on your head. MAGAnomics. Buy American. Hire American.
Easier said than done. What you're stating is very widespread in the US, yet your trade deficits are growing...
Quoting Rastus81
{quote} Its easy enough to do a google search.

why why why , more is better dont you think when dealing with tyrants
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
NK couldn't tear up a wet paper bag. if this is true I get usual US interest but then wouldn't China be interested too . . . http://nypost.com/2017/07/03/north-korea-is-sitting-on-6-trillion-in-mineral-resources/
Quoting AiWoZhongHua
{quote} Easier said than done. What you're stating is very widespread in the US, yet your trade deficits are growing...

No they are not! Currently China and US are in negotiations in regards to renewing the bilateral trade agreements as we speak. TPP? Terminated! Certain import tariffs are already being targeted from China such as steel and other materials being used in housing construction industry. China has way more to lose if they decide to be complicit in aiding and abetting NK's nuclear ambitions. The next process is going to be renegotiating NAFTA with Mexico and Canada. No other other country in the world has the capabilities to be self sufficient with all the natural resources the USA has at their disposal. American made? You bet!
Quoting Rastus81
{quote} The US has 6000 nukes... why is that ok? http://time.com/4893175/united-states-nuclear-weapons/

Right! And Russia, China, have equal number of nukes and why is that ok? Your point is?
no war just talk war
Quoting AiWoZhongHua
{quote} Easier said than done. What you're stating is very widespread in the US, yet your trade deficits are growing...
Not for long. Free, but fair. If not fair, it won't be free. Section 301.

Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 provides the United States with the authority to enforce trade agreements, resolve trade disputes, and open foreign markets to U.S. goods and services. It is the principal statutory authority under which the United States may impose trade sanctions on foreign countries that either violate trade agreements or engage in other unfair trade practices. When negotiations to remove the offending trade practice fail, the United States may take action to raise import duties on the foreign country’s products as a means to rebalance lost concessions.

http://trade.gov/mas/ian/tradedisputes-enforcement/tg_ian_002100.asp

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/12/report-president-trump-to-announce-section-301-trade-investigations-against-china-on-monday/
Mark ... Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Right! And Russia, China, have equal number of nukes and why is that ok? Your point is?
For a start, it proves that just because someone has a particular technology, they don't have to use it.

Secondly, when every single "source" says the same thing, about how bad NK is, then it just seems suspicious. Where are the free press reporting on the other side of the story... They aren't any where to be seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thirdly, the US military has virtually unlimited resources, it has the most advanced technology, the most skilled operators, but they cant do anything except use force.

Where is the respect for humanity?
NK has repelled the westernisation until now. I dont see the problem in having a different opinion.

Maybe its just me, but when someone says "Believe this, without question", I don't like it.
Why is a Raven like a Writing Desk?
whatever further happen in the future, western people would pull out the money from stock markets, e.g. hk stock market, normally, firstly get money back from the most profitable stocks e.g. the stock "tencent"-the starter, initially hkd will be up and convert to usd (hkd back to normal level) and sending back to usa (money is more reliable than stock) and then usd starts to go up and followers push usd further up, the stock market straight-down.
Quoting cliffedwards
I know jack-sh* about real story on this.. But its scary, and could generate big volitility if something kicks off. @AWZH seems to know his stuff.. But heres some basics.. if your reading but not briefed.. Like @AWZH said, Chinas support for North Korea dates back to the Korean War. Since the war, China has lent political and economic backing to North Koreas leaders and provides North Korea with most of its food and energy supplies and accounts for upwards of 90 percent of North Koreas total trade volume. Apparently Beijing's No. 1 priority...
Good point about what to do with NK refugees if there is war. What country is going to take them, feed them, give them housing, support them for decades? I doubt if the US wants more refugees under Trump. On the other hand, no country wants sanctions after sanctions but to continually fire ballistic missiles towards your neighbors is not on. NK is cornered and the US has a history of removing dictators and forgetting the consequences. China, Russia and EU will not back the country that strikes first. If NK fires another test missile is that war?
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Quoting Aussi
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It would be be very much in character ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b084f59b49f7bd

Looks like this Kim yun un is just his alter ego. I am sure they will be very happy together.
Quoting Hurst
We as people could stop this war tomorrow. If everyone said no more items from China, any product from China would be banned at port of entry and anyone selling goods from China would be closed down. China would be in NK tomorrow. As long as we (the people) keep buying goods from China there will be no incentive to get involved.
Good option.
Instead of China it should be used against war freak US. They're eyeing on NK after bringing peace on afghan, iraq, libya, syria.
If NK committed crime by threatening US then US administration also criminal for the same reason.
You cannot learn better without losing
"War is God's way of teaching Americans Geography"

Ambrose Bierce . Author of the Devils Dictionary (1842-1913)
Cut your Losers short and let your Winners run.
Quoting spzd
{quote} Why?? FoxConn, the company that produces the iphone for Apple, will be building a $10 billion manufacturing facility in the US. And everyone says MAGAnomics is a failure. Eat crow.
FYI:
President Trump announced on July 26th, 2017 that Foxconn will build a $10 billion flat screen TV manufacturing plant in southeastern Wisconsin. (The deal is being criticized for the $3 billion in tax-payer funded incentives given to Foxconn. The state of Wisconsin would have to pay a subsidy to Foxconn of up to $250 million each year for fifteen years. In return, the deal would return an estimated $181 million each year. This loss, according to economics professor Michael Hicks, amounts to a payment of $1,200 from each household to Foxconn. Foxconn would also be exempt from an environmental impact statement and be able to avoid several other environmental protection rules that other companies must comply with.)
source:wikipedia
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} FYI: President Trump announced on July 26th, 2017 that Foxconn will build a $10 billion flat screen TV manufacturing plant in southeastern Wisconsin. (The deal is being criticized for the $3 billion in tax-payer funded incentives given to Foxconn. The state of Wisconsin would have to pay a subsidy to Foxconn of up to $250 million each year for fifteen years. In return, the deal would return an estimated $181 million each year. This loss, according to economics professor Michael Hicks, amounts to a payment of $1,200 from each household to...
Brilliant! What a challenge even for Chinese experts - but do they not call themselves communists?
Quoting dee50
"War is God's way of teaching Americans Geography" Ambrose Bierce . Author of the Devils Dictionary (1842-1913)
Twice Americans interfered with German plans to take over Europe. Mistake? Could be. Some of the most despicable and poisonous voices I've EVER heard come from liberated Europeans posting here. I have yet to hear: because of the 15000 NK artillery pointed at Seoul, we Europeans should stand with the 20,000 Americans putting THEIR lives on the line to stop that kind of aggression and intimidation.

Japan was slaughtering China. Americans stopped them. Mistake? Appears so. Apparently the directive from FXnews is that Americans overstepped their authority.
Oh and of course, reversing the innocent Iraq expansion into Kuwait was another American mistake.

Troops in Germany, Poland, Ukraine and elsewhere to stop Russian aggression is clearly another mistake. Provisioning NATO with the strength to be more than a laughable deterrent... is a mistake. Or for that matter, allowing Europeans, and Russians to interfere/colonize in ANY of the Americas North, South, or the Caribbean is a mistake.

Truly, we Americans are just making All manner of mistakes. If only we had FXnews geniuses to advise us.
Here we go again. The elephant and the mouse BS, like every 2-3 years to cover something up...
Quoting kenleander
{quote} Twice Americans interfered with German plans to take over Europe. Mistake? Could be. Some of the most despicable and poisonous voices I've EVER heard come from liberated Europeans posting here. I have yet to hear: because of the 15000 NK artillery pointed at Seoul, we Europeans should stand with the 20,000 Americans putting THEIR lives on the line to stop that kind of aggression and intimidation. Japan was slaughtering China. Americans stopped them. Mistake? Appears so. Apparently the directive from FXnews is that Americans overstepped their...
To be honest, US enter WW1 and WW2 had nothing to do with saving european countries. Military help were requested several times, but the US did not budge. It was when they were attacked that they entered into war.

WW1 : 1914-1918, The US entered in 1917.
WW2: 1939-1945, The US entered in Dec 1941.

I am not complaining complaining about the then military policy of the US, which I think is much more sound than the post WW2 policy. But history needs to be said.

About the NK issue, I completely understand if there is a military action, unlike the 10+ last time the US entered into war. We are talking about a US territory threatened to be attacked.
Quoting spzd
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FYI:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - JULY 27, 2017 / 11:44 PM
Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker on Thursday defended his plan to give a $3 billion tax break over 15 years to convince Taiwanese electronics manufacturer Foxconn to build a $10 billion LCD flat screen factory....The 20-million square foot plant will initially employ 3,000 people, but Walker and Foxconn said the company ultimately may employ 13,000 people at the site. Walker's office said the incentives are projected to cost between $200 million and $250 million a year, capped at $3 billion. That includes up to $1.5 billion in state income tax credits for job creation, up to $1.35 billion in state income tax credits for capital investment and up to $150 million for the sales and use tax exemption - a sales tax holiday.
Do your own math.
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} FYI: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - JULY 27, 2017 / 11:44 PM Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker on Thursday defended his plan to give a $3 billion tax break over 15 years to convince Taiwanese electronics manufacturer Foxconn to build a $10 billion LCD flat screen factory....The 20-million square foot plant will initially employ 3,000 people, but Walker and Foxconn said the company ultimately may employ 13,000 people at the site. Walker's office said the incentives are projected to cost between $200 million and $250 million a year, capped at $3 billion....
Playing loose and easy with language and concepts. Your first comment on this said WI would PAY 230 mil a year in subsidies. Now it's a tax break.

A tax break is no big deal as it is done all the time. Those who want to make this sound bad do not make mention of the fact that the state was not getting any of that money in the first place. They also fail to mention the positives to the economy of employing more people at higher wages.

The state of WI is giving tax breaks (incentives, whatever they want to call them) of an amount they were not collecting in the first place.

So all of your high and mighty attempt at making this look bad is a FAIL.
Mark ... Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.
Quoting spzd
{quote} Playing loose and easy with language and concepts. Your first comment on this said WI would PAY 230 mil a year in subsidies. Now it's a tax break. A tax break is no big deal as it is done all the time. Those who want to make this sound bad do not make mention of the fact that the state was not getting any of that money in the first place. They also fail to mention the positives to the economy of employing more people at higher wages. The state of WI is giving tax breaks (incentives, whatever they want to call them) of an amount they were...
If MAGA economics involves making local Wisconsin and US business, pay full and normal tax
and giving Chinese blow-ins 15 years tax holidays costing up to $3B in lost state revenues..
then Good Luck with that.

If thats MAGA economics?
Its a scam.
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} If MAGA economics involves making local Wisconsin and US business, pay full and normal tax and giving Chinese blow-ins 15 years tax holidays costing up to $3B in lost state revenues.. then Good Luck with that. If thats MAGA economics? Its a scam.
Come on man. Are you really this dense.

1) Tax breaks are given all the time to both US and foreign companies.
2) There is NO loss in taxes. Why? If those companies did not put a factory, business, whatever there would have been NO tax anyway.
3) Giving these tax deferments is one way to bring companies into an area. In fact, it is very effective.
4) New business = more employment = more ancillary economic growth = more tax revenue of various kinds for a 10 or 15 year initial tax break.
5) To reiterate. If the company never built there, that fictional $3 billion was never there in the first place. Is this too hard for you to comprehend.

It is logical and common sense. Perhaps in the rigid workings of the EU none of you understand this. Probably why the EU GDP is < 1%.
Mark ... Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.
Dense or not..
Dont tell me mate.. tell the local Wisconsin business man that pays State tax on every $ earned?
About your theory that allows a Chinese business to establish itself in Wisconsin with NO TAX.
Maybe your common sense..
Hey thats all good...
but tell them about it..
Explain it to them.. why they pay and Chinese DONT.
Lol
Now we just have to wait to see what "business opportunities" will get Saudi Arabia.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/14/1939-second-world-war-fascist-thundering-approach-hitler
Quoting cugir321
Read the package...if it says china...buy from anywhere but.
Oh Dear! What isn't made in China today??
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