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    From bloomberg.com

    British Prime Minister Theresa May said "now is not the time" for a second Scottish referendum on independence, ITV reported. Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has called for a new independence vote before the U.K. finalizes its Brexit deal. The U.K. is poised to start exit negotiations with the European Union, a two-year process that Sturgeon opposes. She has called for a vote on independence before talks are concluded. Speaking to ITV News, May said: "We should be working to get the best deal for Scotland and the United Kingdom with the EU." She said another vote would be "unfair" on the ... (full story)

  • Post #1
  • Mar 16, 2017 9:10am Mar 16, 2017 9:10am
cliff....chime in.....how is this possible to prevent Scotland from voting to leave if they want to leave? That seems it would have some backlash and a stronger desire to leave the UK
  • Post #2
  • Mar 16, 2017 9:40am Mar 16, 2017 9:40am
LOL, ofc T.M. rules out. The situation rankle...
  • Post #3
  • Mar 16, 2017 9:59am Mar 16, 2017 9:59am
Everytime when it comes to Scotisch referundum, I see Andy Murry with the British flag... So surrealistic :-)
  • Post #4
  • Edited at 10:24am Mar 16, 2017 10:01am | Edited at 10:24am
Quoting glenngie
cliff....chime in.....how is this possible to prevent Scotland from voting to leave if they want to leave? That seems it would have some backlash and a stronger desire to leave the UK
A Scottish referendum does require assent by the UK Parliament.
meaning referendum call can be blocked by May Government.

Yes.. Likely to infuriate many Scots .. possibly playing into Sturgeons hands, and certainly raising stakes on a No Deal Exit. Tight call on whether this a smart move. Think Sturgeon was playing for exactly this reaction. Chess game.
  • Post #5
  • Mar 16, 2017 10:38am Mar 16, 2017 10:38am
England do not have to Scotland
  • Post #6
  • Mar 16, 2017 11:16am Mar 16, 2017 11:16am
how can the same country that chose to leave the EU - Brexit, Denies the same right to another country Scotland to leave UK - Scotexit

hummmm...

good for green piping
  • Post #7
  • Mar 16, 2017 11:58am Mar 16, 2017 11:58am
Read this as "Bog of Sturgeon" (major own goal on her part) looks like the only election she'll be involved in will be a leadership contest , and she was so good at that job too !!
  • Post #8
  • Mar 16, 2017 12:06pm Mar 16, 2017 12:06pm
Quoting Fxafrica
how can the same country that chose to leave the EU - Brexit, Denies the same right to another country Scotland to leave UK - Scotexit hummmm... good for green piping
Scotland hasn't been denied a referendum, it had one in 2014, where the electorate decided to remain part of the UK and it is my understanding the TM said that "now is not the time" for another referendum, rather than deny the Scots another referendum. Nicola Sturgeon seems to think that 1.6m voters (those who voted to remain in the EU) in Scotland should hold more sway than, and be given more consideration than, the rest of the UK electorate. I don't think so
  • Post #9
  • Mar 16, 2017 12:15pm Mar 16, 2017 12:15pm
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Well, I'm glad to hear May finally grew a spine.

"how can the same country that chose to leave the EU - Brexit, Denies the same right to another country Scotland to leave UK - Scotexit"

Fxafrica,

That's an easy question to answer. It's the same reason the United States, which left the British empire, denied the South to right to leave and form the Confederacy . You see, Scotland isn't "another country" -Scotland is part of the United Kingdom and has been sine 1717.
  • Post #10
  • Mar 16, 2017 12:18pm Mar 16, 2017 12:18pm
So much cant. Scotland voted No in 2014 on the basis of promises made;

1. 'The Vow', which most have you have never heard of, which promised amongst other things to make the Scottish Parliament permanent and devolve many taxes. We got control over road signs.

2. FFA, or 'Devo Max', courtesy of Gordon Brown and BBC Scotland. Result was Smith Commission otherwise known as Smith Pish.

Nobody is trying to deny the right of the Brexiteers to throw themselves off the cliff, (in fact many look forward to witnessing the spectacle), just asking for consultation, which was promised and not fulfilled, and the right to be considered in a compromise, like EEA or EFTA membership, for example.

Perhaps the concept of the United Kingdom needs explaining; it is a Union of 2 Countries, supposedly equal partners, a Principality and a Protectorate. Alternatively, it is made up of 4 countries. Respect is a two way street.
  • Post #11
  • Mar 16, 2017 12:39pm Mar 16, 2017 12:39pm
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017...-greatest-gift
  • Post #12
  • Mar 16, 2017 12:51pm Mar 16, 2017 12:51pm
Brexiteers throwing themselves off a cliff? Hardly. More like they boarded the life-boats because the ship was sinking. I firmly believe the EU experiment has been a failure and the EU will eventually cease to exist . I give it 15 years, maybe 20 years, tops.

The United Kingdom is the union of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. It is a single country. Has been since the Act of Union in 1707. Period.

Yes, Scotland now has a parliament - just as states in the US have state legislatures - but they don't get to secede. Some Southern states tried that once - well, the results didn't go well for them. But, for the sake of argument, let's say Scotland did get to leave the UK and remain in the EU - what will it get them? They'll be a vassal state under the thumb of Brussels for a few years, until the EU collapses. Then what? They would quickly scurry back and ask to be readmitted into the UK. So, what would be the point? Better to stay in the UK in the first place. Sturgeon is like the Pied Piper, luring the naive into bondage. She isn't offering freedom, just slavery. And what about the Scots who voted for Brexit? Do their votes mean nothing? I don't think so...
  • Post #13
  • Mar 16, 2017 1:01pm Mar 16, 2017 1:01pm
Quoting gravitist
Brexiteers throwing themselves off a cliff? Hardly. More like they boarded the life-boats because the ship was sinking. I firmly believe the EU experiment has been a failure and the EU will eventually cease to exist . I give it 15 years, maybe 20 years, tops. The United Kingdom is the union of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. It is a single country. Has been since the Act of Union in 1707. Period. Yes, Scotland now has a parliament - just as states in the US have state legislatures - but they don't get to secede. Some Southern states...
Wouldn't the UK electorate then need to be consulted over the re admittance of Scotland back into the United Kingdom once the EU benefits gravy train stopped, assuming that the EU admits Scotland into the EU in the first place?
  • Post #14
  • Mar 16, 2017 1:09pm Mar 16, 2017 1:09pm
Quoting gravitist
The United Kingdom is the union of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. It is a single country. Has been since the Act of Union in 1707. Period.
You really should check out how the UK defines itself to the UN. It may be a unitary state, but it is made up of more than one country.

If ever anyone needed an illustration of the contempt for Scotland which justifies our desire for self-determination, your post and Scottish Questions at Westminster illustrate it perfectly.
  • Post #15
  • Mar 16, 2017 1:11pm Mar 16, 2017 1:11pm
This is just one auto cliff-thrower;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7630626.html

No offence, Cliff.
  • Post #16
  • Mar 16, 2017 1:15pm Mar 16, 2017 1:15pm
The UN has something to say about self -determination;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination

To deny this right to the people of Scotland is to deny that Scotland is a country. Some may feel that way, but I'd think that that makes them colonialists.
  • Post #17
  • Mar 16, 2017 1:21pm Mar 16, 2017 1:21pm
http://derekbateman.scot/2017/03/16/the-trap-springs/
  • Post #18
  • Mar 16, 2017 1:34pm Mar 16, 2017 1:34pm
Quoting Brotyboy
The UN has something to say about self -determination; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination To deny this right to the people of Scotland is to deny that Scotland is a country. Some may feel that way, but I'd think that that makes them colonialists.
I'd be all for Scotland holding a referendum right now. But for those in Scotland who do not want to leave the UK or those who do not want to be part of the EU, I can see why it would be better to make that decision once negotiations with the EU have finished and everyone knows the shape of the deal. It is only at that point that the Scots can make an informed decision. One sure way to get independence would be to hold a UK wide referendum of whether Scotland should be part of the UK
  • Post #19
  • Edited at 2:55pm Mar 16, 2017 2:10pm | Edited at 2:55pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I'd be all for Scotland holding a referendum right now. But for those in Scotland who do not want to leave the UK or those who do not want to be part of the EU, I can see why it would be better to make that decision once negotiations with the EU have finished and everyone knows the shape of the deal. It is only at that point that the Scots can make an informed decision. One sure way to get independence would be to hold a UK wide referendum of whether Scotland should be part of the UK
Oh, would you? Oh can you? What a load of self-reverential tosh.
  • Post #20
  • Mar 16, 2017 2:12pm Mar 16, 2017 2:12pm
The last time the Empire produced its own figures for Scotland. No surprises they suspended the practice so soon after they sent tanks and snipers into Glasgow because of unrest. For those who don't know, this was what gave rise to the tag of 'Red Clydeside'.


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I haven't really started yet, there's an unlimited supply.
  • Post #21
  • Mar 16, 2017 2:15pm Mar 16, 2017 2:15pm
Quoting Brotyboy
The last time the Empire produced its own figures for Scotland. No surprises they suspended the practice so soon after they sent tanks and snipers into Glasgow because of unrest. For those who don't know, this was what gave rise to the tag of 'Red Clydeside'. {image} I haven't really started yet, there's an unlimited supply.
Thanks for the links Brotyboy.
  • Post #22
  • Mar 16, 2017 2:16pm Mar 16, 2017 2:16pm
Quoting smikester
{quote} Thanks for the links Brotyboy.

You're welcome. Just a wee bit of balance.
  • Post #23
  • Mar 16, 2017 2:20pm Mar 16, 2017 2:20pm
Quoting smikester
{quote} Oh, would you? Oh can you? What a load of self reverential tosh.
from the master of self reverential tosh
  • Post #24
  • Mar 16, 2017 2:38pm Mar 16, 2017 2:38pm
Quoting Brotyboy
The last time the Empire produced its own figures for Scotland. No surprises they suspended the practice so soon after they sent tanks and snipers into Glasgow because of unrest. For those who don't know, this was what gave rise to the tag of 'Red Clydeside'. {image} I haven't really started yet, there's an unlimited supply.
Sounds great. Go for it. Please pull the pin
  • Post #25
  • Mar 16, 2017 2:46pm Mar 16, 2017 2:46pm
Quoting g_cc2d0425
Scotland isn't "another country" -Scotland is part of the United Kingdom and has been sine 1717.
Factually incorrect.
  • Post #26
  • Mar 16, 2017 3:41pm Mar 16, 2017 3:41pm
Quoting gravitist
.... The United Kingdom is the union of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. It is a single country. Has been since the Act of Union in 1707. Period. Yes, Scotland now has a parliament - just as states in the US have state legislatures - but they don't get to secede. Some Southern states...
For heavens sake man.. if your going to advise everyone on UK history at least get it right.
It was originally the result of the 1707 act co-joining England and Wales with Scotland.. and in 1800 was expanded by a second act of Union with Ireland. That was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
The Irish then fought for over a hundred years to get out, and after numerous rebellions and an extended war of independence won independence for 3/4 of their island in first a "Free State, (1922) which subsequently became the fully independent sovereign state officially declared a republic in 1949, a full and equal member of the EU. Following Irelands secession in 1922 the UK was renamed the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. which is where it is now. For 30 years between 1960s and 1990s a significant armed insurgency was pursued by elements of the Nationalist Irish minority in Northern Ireland. With over 3000 dead and circa 50,000 casualties. N Ireland was effectively run under a marshal law regime with a significant British army presence on the street. This came to an end with the adoption of the Belfast Agreement.. the "Good Friday Agreement" in 1998. The British army withdrew from NI, the Republic withdrew its claim, and a devolved assembly was established. The administration of NI was subject to major Rreform, and the joint membership of the EU, of both UK and RoI, became an important binding force and guarantor in consolidating the peace., and effectively eliminating the border between RoI and UK and heralding almost 20 years of stability and prosperity for NI.

A major concern of both UK and RoI governments is the potential threat to that stability as a result of Brexit.

In the matter of NI seceding.. it is totally unlike the US State example you quoted.Since the right to secede is guaranteed to N.Ireland under the Belfast and other agreements when and if a majority shall democratically vote to.
  • Post #27
  • Mar 16, 2017 4:14pm Mar 16, 2017 4:14pm
European Parliament’s lead Brexit negotiator warns European Union could 'disappear'

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Good! Can't happen fast enough!
  • Post #28
  • Edited at 8:52pm Mar 16, 2017 5:08pm | Edited at 8:52pm
Quoting Brotyboy
The last time the Empire produced its own figures for Scotland. No surprises they suspended the practice so soon after they sent tanks and snipers into Glasgow because of unrest. For those who don't know, this was what gave rise to the tag of 'Red Clydeside'. {image} I haven't really started yet, there's an unlimited supply.
I traced where you got that table from, sourced where they (he) got their data, accessed the data via my institution and took a snapshot for the year 1912 (selected randomly) which you can find here:
http://i.imgur.com/Imib4pv.jpg

Originally link to your table: http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-historical-debt/

Good news, the data isn't a fake.

Bad news is that England was still contributing more to maintenance of the empire - as a measure of total contribution, or as a percentage of revenue generated locally. These data show that England contributed more per head of population to the government, and received less back, than Scotland did.

If you are making the argument Scotland was paying more than its fair share, or was getting a raw deal, that would be wrong. The English were contributing more no matter what way you cut the numbers.

Let's not forget, that the British empire was a joint venture, after (of course) the Scots failed to set up their own empire in South America at tremendous cost to the Scottish government. A cost which was then partly socialised by the act of the union with England.

Edit - also looked at year 1919, local expenditure vs local revenue is closer that year. Very little difference between England and Scotland that year.
  • Post #29
  • Mar 17, 2017 4:27am Mar 17, 2017 4:27am
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Referendums are divisive, just look at us in the UK. Stop looking at the past and try to be honest about the future! Does Scotland REALLY want to be under EU bureaucracy and end up paying more there than they do to the UK? Who really wants Scotland to leave - the people or the SNP, that should be the question.
  • Post #30
  • Mar 17, 2017 4:43am Mar 17, 2017 4:43am
A more recent analysis, from 2006/7. Forensic accountancy.

http://www.siol-nan-gaidheal.org/obfuscation.htm
  • Post #31
  • Mar 17, 2017 4:47am Mar 17, 2017 4:47am
Finally, something to ponder;

Where is the maritime border between Scotland and England on the east coast?
When was it last moved?
What is the significance of that date?
By what legislative mechanism was it moved?
What was the result of the move in terms of the relative GDP of Scotland and rUK?
What's the definition of colonialism?
  • Post #32
  • Mar 17, 2017 5:10am Mar 17, 2017 5:10am
Quoting Brotyboy
Where is the maritime border between Scotland and England on the east coast? When was it last moved? What is the significance of that date? By what legislative mechanism was it moved? What was the result of the move in terms of the relative GDP of Scotland and rUK? What's the definition of colonialism?
some interesting questions, could you explain in more detail
  • Post #33
  • Edited at 5:38am Mar 17, 2017 5:22am | Edited at 5:38am
Quoting Brotyboy
Finally, something to ponder; Where is the maritime border between Scotland and England on the east coast? When was it last moved? What is the significance of that date? By what legislative mechanism was it moved? What was the result of the move in terms of the relative GDP of Scotland and rUK? What's the definition of colonialism?
1.Map.. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1999/99112601.gif Notice northern arc of North sea border, which previously had been determined as a simple East-West line from Berwick.*
this may help for those interested in issue..
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...itics-20042070
2 & 3 It was introduced in accordance with the Scotland Act 1998, which established the devolved Scottish Parliament
4. Significance Unclear.. theres probably been some academic work done on it but Ive not got links
5. but move certainly altered earlier boundaries in English favour.
6 Colonialism? Start here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism
  • Post #34
  • Edited at 6:01am Mar 17, 2017 5:29am | Edited at 6:01am
Daily Politics - SNP MP Stewart Hosie Truth Bombed with Facts
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  • Post #35
  • Mar 17, 2017 5:37am Mar 17, 2017 5:37am
Former UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan;

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...l-explanation/
  • Post #36
  • Mar 17, 2017 6:49am Mar 17, 2017 6:49am
Quoting Fxafrica
how can the same country that chose to leave the EU - Brexit, Denies the same right to another country Scotland to leave UK - Scotexit hummmm... good for green piping
That is the question, Fxafrica.

Look, it's one thing to agree or disagree over what Scotland should do, but it's quite another to block this vote entirely. No matter which way you slice it, no matter how much we all debate or argue, Brexit is the biggest game changer, for better or worse, that the UK will see in generations, for generations.

This is not like the do-over that people wanted in the UK following the outcome of the Brexit vote. This would be like the EU stepping in and rejecting the Brexit vote altogether before it even started. I'm sure that would have gone down an absolute treat!

I'm looking forward to watching the fallout from this one.

Quoting gravitist
And what about the Scots who voted for Brexit? Do their votes mean nothing?
Careful. You could say the same about all the people in the entirety of the UK that voted to remain in the EU...

But back to the topic at hand - Scotland. Their votes counted, of course they did because that is the whole point. But at 38% versus 62%... Leaving the EU was not only an unpopular idea in Scotland - it's the place where it was the least popular. In an entire country.

I do not understand why Scotland cannot be allowed to at least decide whether to strike out on its own or stick things out with the rest of the UK. There is no problem with that. The very fact that Scotland is even in this position, with its democracy seemingly compromised at the behest of England, argues more strongly for their right to do so than ever.

In short, I think Theresa May just screwed the pooch.
  • Post #37
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:14am Mar 17, 2017 7:14am
Quoting IGNORED
Daily Politics - SNP MP Stewart Hosie Truth Bombed with Facts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWeeb_ajPYw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa2KiDnR2_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YHN53sUdRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVynXGj4eyA&t=3s

WTF???
Whats with the Multi Media BOMBING???
Why not post normal links.. as you did with your original post..????
before you deliberately reedited your post to comic book view??
And Stop trying to turn this thread into the Beano..
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  • Post #38
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:31am Mar 17, 2017 7:31am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} WTF??? Whats with the Multi Media BOMBING??? Why not post normal links.. as you did with your original post..???? before you deliberately reedited your post to comic book view?? And Stop trying to turn this thread into the Beano.. {image}
It is a little rich of you to criticise anyone in here, when much of the content you have posted in FF has be plagiarised for those more talented than you
  • Post #39
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:35am Mar 17, 2017 7:35am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} One sure way to get independence would be to hold a UK wide referendum of whether Scotland should be part of the UK
ha ha, yep, I reckon that would do it

lol...
  • Post #40
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:46am Mar 17, 2017 7:46am
Quoting g_6cd9da5f
Referendums are divisive, just look at us in the UK. Stop looking at the past and try to be honest about the future! Does Scotland REALLY want to be under EU bureaucracy and end up paying more there than they do to the UK? Who really wants Scotland to leave - the people or the SNP, that should be the question.
By all accounts it is the SNP. The people don't want another referendum and if one were forced upon them in the near future (which is now not going to happen), the result would be a lot more decisive than before. Most Scots want to remain part of the UK.
  • Post #41
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:48am Mar 17, 2017 7:48am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} It is a little rich of you to criticise anyone in here, when much of the content you have posted in FF has be plagiarised for those more talented than you
Lol, the Beano is beyond his capability.
  • Post #42
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:49am Mar 17, 2017 7:49am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} WTF??? Whats with the Multi Media BOMBING??? Why not post normal links.. as you did with your original post..???? before you deliberately reedited your post to comic book view?? And Stop trying to turn this thread into the Beano.. {image}
No need to post a picture. We do know what the Beano looks like.
  • Post #43
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:49am Mar 17, 2017 7:49am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Lol, the Beano is beyond his capability.
I didn't want to be cruel as well as factual
  • Post #44
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:51am Mar 17, 2017 7:51am
And will the silver lining be that their Haggis exports to US will be "Front Of The Queue" ?
  • Post #45
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:58am Mar 17, 2017 7:58am
Quoting jen101
{quote} By all accounts it is the SNP. The people don't want another referendum and if one were forced upon them in the near future (which is now not going to happen), the result would be a lot more decisive than before. Most Scots want to remain part of the UK.
They should have a referendum, I'm surprised that May yesterday didn't explicitly acknowledge that there would be a referendum - just not on the scheduled time. I'm sure if she had of chosen her words correctly we wouldn't have headlines suggesting 'no ref' plastered all over the internet.
  • Post #46
  • Mar 17, 2017 7:59am Mar 17, 2017 7:59am
Sturgeon needs to do as May says. Really. No one likes a ginger dwarf mouthing off.
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  • Post #47
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:01am Mar 17, 2017 8:01am
Quoting verv
{quote} They should have a referendum, I'm surprised that May yesterday didn't explicitly acknowledge that there would be a referendum - just not on the scheduled time. I'm sure if she had of chosen her words correctly we wouldn't have headlines suggesting 'no ref' plastered all over the internet.
They've just had one! What's this, keep going till you get the result you want?
  • Post #48
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:03am Mar 17, 2017 8:03am
Seems to be as much conflict between different regions in the UK as there is in the US between half dozen or so democrat controlled states and the rest of the country.
  • Post #49
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:04am Mar 17, 2017 8:04am
Quoting verv
{quote} They should have a referendum, I'm surprised that May yesterday didn't explicitly acknowledge that there would be a referendum - just not on the scheduled time. I'm sure if she had of chosen her words correctly we wouldn't have headlines suggesting 'no ref' plastered all over the internet.
I believe this is from TM writing in the Times today

"The SNP is trying to force the UK government to agree to something that is fundamentally unfair to the Scottish people.

"It wants to ask them to make a crucial decision without the necessary information.

"They would not know what the new partnership with the EU would look like, or what the alternative of an independent Scotland would be. It would simply not be fair."
  • Post #50
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:06am Mar 17, 2017 8:06am
Quoting jen101
{quote} They've just had one! What's this, keep going till you get the result you want?
That's exactly what the democrat party wants in the US. Lose the election by a landslide -- it's not fair!! Let's have a re-do.
  • Post #51
  • Edited at 8:42am Mar 17, 2017 8:08am | Edited at 8:42am
Quoting jen101
{quote} They've just had one! What's this, keep going till you get the result you want?
Yes but Jen, you aren't thinking of the reaction.

Better to give the SNP what they want, a referendum, and paint them as 'independence at all costs', or that they only care about Scottish independence not the people. Than risk giving them the whip hand for years by saying the UK government are preventing the Scottish democracy, or oppressing the Scottish people. If you can't see that will be the reaction I don't know what to tell you.

This is politics. The SNP will play the game whether you like it or not. So you must play the game also whether you want to it not.
  • Post #52
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:12am Mar 17, 2017 8:12am
Quoting verv
{quote} Yes but Jen, you aren't thinking of the reaction. Better to give the SNP what they want, a referendum, and paint them at 'independence at all costs', or that they only care about Scottish independence not the people. Than risk giving them the whip hand for years by saying the UK government are preventing the Scottish democracy, or oppressing the Scottish people. If you can see that will be the reaction I don't know what to tell you. This is politics. The SNP will play the game whether you like it or not. So you must play the game also whether...
OK, then England have a referendum for independence. Works both ways. Do we want to dump our biggest lump of dead wood or not... hmm, difficult one that.
  • Post #53
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:18am Mar 17, 2017 8:18am
Quoting jen101
{quote} They've just had one! What's this, keep going till you get the result you want?
If you are both so great friends then why England stole Scotland sea? You could ask them nicely (and public).
  • Post #54
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:20am Mar 17, 2017 8:20am
Quoting jen101
{quote} OK, then England have a referendum for independence. Works both ways. Do we want to dump our biggest lump of dead wood or not... hmm, difficult one that.
Haha - English referendum would just kill the Union. But why shouldn't they have a say?

I think this Scottish referendum will be an easy win for Unity. UK government would be foolish to repeat any of the mistakes regarding the nature of the campaign or the wording of the ref question. Then you have SNP track record - 'once in a generation' and 'Scotland oil revenue'. The margins in favour of remaining in the U.K. will be bigger than before. U.K. Gov should be rubbing its hands at SNP's foolhardy eagerness.
  • Post #55
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:20am Mar 17, 2017 8:20am
Quoting jarhead
Seems to be as much conflict between different regions in the UK as there is in the US between half dozen or so democrat controlled states and the rest of the country.
Ha Ha Hey Jim some guy called Hadrian had a wall before Trump
  • Post #56
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:34am Mar 17, 2017 8:34am
Quoting verv
{quote} Yes but Jen, you aren't thinking of the reaction. Better to give the SNP what they want, a referendum, and paint them at 'independence at all costs', or that they only care about Scottish independence not the people. Than risk giving them the whip hand for years by saying the UK government are preventing the Scottish democracy, or oppressing the Scottish people. If you can see that will be the reaction I don't know what to tell you. This is politics. The SNP will play the game whether you like it or not. So you must play the game also whether...
At least SOMEONE here is politically savvy.
  • Post #57
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:36am Mar 17, 2017 8:36am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ha Ha Hey Jim some guy called Hadrian had a wall before Trump
I don't think Hadrian had a load of wet liberals stand in his way.
  • Post #58
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:38am Mar 17, 2017 8:38am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} At least SOMEONE here is politically savvy.
Yes, not you though sadly. And all his own words! Isn't that amazing?
  • Post #59
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:39am Mar 17, 2017 8:39am
Quoting jen101
{quote} ...... Do we want to dump our biggest lump of dead wood or not... hmm, difficult one that.
I thought Micheal Gove had already been Dumped..Lol
  • Post #60
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:40am Mar 17, 2017 8:40am
Quoting verv
{quote} Haha - English referendum would just kill the Union. But why shouldn't they have a say? I think this Scottish referendum will be an easy win for Unity. UK government would be foolish to repeat any of the mistakes regarding the nature of the campaign or the wording of the ref question. Then you have SNP track record - 'once in a generation' and 'Scotland oil revenue'. The margins in favour of remaining in the U.K. will be bigger than before. U.K. Gov should be rubbing its hands at SNP's foolhardy eagerness.
That is assuming that TM and the UK government want Scotland (under the leadership of the Jimmy Krankie and the SNP) to remain part of the UK. It could be that TM is trying to bolster to independence vote
  • Post #61
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:41am Mar 17, 2017 8:41am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} At least SOMEONE here is politically savvy.
It's a dirty rotten game isn't it? Puts me off politics frankly.
  • Post #62
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:41am Mar 17, 2017 8:41am
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} I thought Micheal Gove had already been Dumped..Lol
Me too, but I have seen him rear his ugly head somewhere... did he not go to meet Trump?
  • Post #63
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:47am Mar 17, 2017 8:47am
Funny how all the Bunnies have come out to play at the same time..
Suddenly its like Watership Down... LoL
  • Post #64
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:47am Mar 17, 2017 8:47am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ha Ha Hey Jim some guy called Hadrian had a wall before Trump
Gets even better. The Pope, himself, visited our southern border and criticized a wall that would keep drugs and illegals out of our country. I understand he has a large wall around his compound to keep out unwanted's. We live in a do as I say and not as I do world.
  • Post #65
  • Mar 17, 2017 8:48am Mar 17, 2017 8:48am
Quoting cliffedwards
Funny how all the Bunnies have come out to play at the same time.. Suddenly its like Watership Down... LoL
You always seem to show up yourself.
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