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  • Oregon bakery owners pay more than $135G in damages over refusal to make cake for gay wedding

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    The owners of an Oregon bakery who denied service to a same-sex couple have paid more than $135,000 in state-ordered damages – months after refusing to do so – according to state officials Monday. Aaron Klein, co-owner of Sweet Cakes, by Melissa, dropped a check off for $136,927.07, according to the Bureau of Labor and Industries. The payment includes interest. Klein also paid $7,000 earlier this month. Damages were award in July for emotional suffering caused by the bakery which refused to make a wedding cake for Laurel and Rachel Bowman-Cryer more than two years ago. The bakers said they refused to make the ... (full story)

  • Comment #1
  • Dec 29, 2015 1:15am Dec 29, 2015 1:15am
how did they measure the emotional suffering to be worth 135K $ ?
  • Comment #2
  • Dec 29, 2015 10:31am Dec 29, 2015 10:31am
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Quoting t4fast
how did they measure the emotional suffering to be worth 135K $ ?
(butt-hurtedness/tort)*(politcal correctedness/greed)squared
  • Comment #3
  • Dec 29, 2015 10:58am Dec 29, 2015 10:58am
Refusing to make a cake for lesbians seems a bit ridiculous, even if you express disapproval of homosexuality.
However, refusing to make a cake and decorate it with something along the lines of "we support gays" when you do no such thing, as in the case of a bakery in Ireland (or maybe NI) is something else entirely IMNVHO.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32808398
I have no clue what I'm talking about.
  • Comment #4
  • Dec 29, 2015 11:14am Dec 29, 2015 11:14am
The problem is that they post private information about Gays couple; and blamed in their facebok's pages.
  • Comment #5
  • Dec 29, 2015 11:33am Dec 29, 2015 11:33am
Pretty sad when you have to go into litigation when you cant get your cake! I guess this is a case of getting their cake and eating it. lol
  • Comment #6
  • Dec 29, 2015 12:09pm Dec 29, 2015 12:09pm
Now they make it all up and then some in Crowd Funding. Cool.
  • Comment #7
  • Dec 29, 2015 12:56pm Dec 29, 2015 12:56pm
If Ford will not sell me a car because I have chosen to not pay my bills and it is against their policy to sell a car to someone like me, then I will go somewhere else to purchase a car.

I would have made the cake, because I'm in the cake business to make money. They apparently aren't.
  • Comment #8
  • Dec 29, 2015 1:40pm Dec 29, 2015 1:40pm
Quoting gc44
Pretty sad when you have to go into litigation when you cant get your cake! I guess this is a case of getting their cake and eating it. lol
Or, um... muffin...
  • Comment #9
  • Edited 3:22pm Dec 29, 2015 3:01pm | Edited 3:22pm
Quoting Boy Wonder
Refusing to make a cake for lesbians seems a bit ridiculous, even if you express disapproval of homosexuality.

The owners are Christians and therefore were standing by their religious beliefs. To make a cake for someone to celebrate a sinful act would be wrong and against the owners religious beliefs. The U.S. Constitution says we (Americans) cannot be persecuted for our religious beliefs. Apparently the Constitution doesn't matter anymore because these bakery owners are being persecuted for their religious beliefs.

The bottom line is that it is NOT "ridiculous" for these owners to refuse to go along with baking a cake for these homosexual people. They (those 2 homosexuals) are committing a sin and the owners of the bakery should not be forced to participate in it - especially when you consider the fact that the owners are being forced to go against their religious beliefs.
"Trading is a mental sport." - Ziad Masri
And in regards to being a paid a large amount of money for "emotional suffering", if there is any emotional suffering going on then it is being suffered by the bakery owners. If fact, the 2 lesbians should pay the bakery owners $135,000 for the suffering they brought upon THEM (the owners) and for persecuting them for their religious beliefs.
"Trading is a mental sport." - Ziad Masri
  • Comment #11
  • Dec 29, 2015 11:00pm Dec 29, 2015 11:00pm
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Worst thing was even letting the client's sexuality be a factor. What people do in their bedroom is irrelevant. What matters is how they treat other people. When people want to make their sexuality or religion a topic, its a party where our quietly finding a door is our best path forward. Since homosexuality obviously became a topic, the vendor's letting the clients know they would be happy to make the cake and match and donate the proceeds to a charity that preaches against homosexuality. The prospective customer may have been inclined to take their business elsewhere.
  • Comment #12
  • Dec 30, 2015 12:30am Dec 30, 2015 12:30am
"The owners are Christians and therefore were standing by their religious beliefs."


how come the lesbians can stand for what they believe, and the Christian owners cant??? and they even have to pay for that???
We are sailing on a ship of fools
Quoting bily.k
"The owners are Christians and therefore were standing by their religious beliefs."


how come the lesbians can stand for what they believe, and the Christian owners cant??? and they even have to pay for that???
Obviously, lesbians have the constitutional right to freedom of religion, while the constitution never mentioned anything about Christians. Just like the Islamic truck driver that got a $240k lawsuit award for being required to haul beer. Those 'dirty' Christians have to make cakes for 'poor, downtrodden' perverts or be driven out of business. <sarc> Travesty abounds.
All that "democracy" has been interpreted wrong and is being abused... Today everybody gets offended and file lawsuits... Gay get offended by straight people because they disagree with them ( but straight people have no right to be offended by gay ), atheists get offended for wishing them Merry Christmas, but yet they loveeeee to celebrate so they invented the X-mass...
So indeed the world become a ship of fools...
But somehow in this whole "sailing" what used to be considered deviating now has all the power and the right....
  • Comment #16
  • Dec 30, 2015 12:18pm Dec 30, 2015 12:18pm
"atheists get offended for wishing them Merry Christmas"

I'm an atheist and I don't get offended by that at all. I think it's kind of sweet.

Not everyone has to have the same beliefs. But, it does seem like bullying when someone chooses to deny services for beliefs or in this case a genetic disposition that makes people different.

If one practices an intolerant religion, then one might need a bigger bank account to accommodate that religion.
Businesses should serve everybody.. If the lesbians wanted a plain cake give it to them. But to force a person to make a lesbian theme cake, disregards the bakers religious freedoms.

State would probably force a JEW to make a NAZI cake too! Or a Black to make a KKK cake!
The only system that will work is one designed by and for yourself.
I thought you people enjoyed a "same sex republic", since your president's main speach in Dakar, Senegal, was on gays' situation not being optimal in Africa, to his taste.

President Sall promptly expressed a different vue, and begged for his country the right to have their own vue on the matter: no gay hunt down, but no promotion either.
Patience is magic
"Not everyone has to have the same beliefs. But, it does seem like bullying when someone chooses to deny services for beliefs or in this case a genetic disposition that makes people different."

Back in high school I got "F" for refusing to do an essay on"Men's evolution and Darwin's theory"... calling upon: its against my beliefs.. When I complained how come my Muslim classmate can be excused from school when its his Ramazan, and I cant stand for what I believe, I was sent to the principle for spreading Religious hate and intolerance ...

SO yes, not every one has to have the same beliefs , and if I choose not to offer my service because its against my beliefs, I should be respected by that person ( which demands respect for his believes or way of life by the way), and by the government, the same government that is granting others their rights to believe or to live their life as they choose.... and sorry, but I dont agree its a genetic disposition, its a choice in life,,,as everything else we do
Quoting bily.k
how come the lesbians can stand for what they believe, and the Christian owners cant??? and they even have to pay for that???
Yes, it is crazy. It seems all that matters in the world today is gay people. And any other groups - such as Christians or whomever - apparently have no rights (especially if the gays disapprove of something then it becomes automatic that other groups have no rights).

And the entire situation becomes even crazier when the Christian owners have to pay $135,000 for it. This world has gone insane.
"Trading is a mental sport." - Ziad Masri
Quoting wlarimer
Obviously, lesbians have the constitutional right to freedom of religion, while the constitution never mentioned anything about Christians.
So, are you telling me you don't think Christianity is a religion? But you lesbianism IS a religion? Seriously? LOL!

I never said the constitution specifically pointed out Christians. However, in case you don't know, Christianity is a religion and the constitution says Americans have the right to freedom of religion and that American citizens shouldn't be forced to go against their religion. The gays and the current government is trampling on the rights of people to have freedom of religion by forcing them to do what the gays tell them to do, when obviously it is against the Christian religion to support homosexuality. Christians (or any religion) should not be forced to go along with a homosexual wedding. The constitution gives us our right for freedom of religion, but apparently the gays and the U.S. government and the politically biased court judges don't care. Thanks a lot Obama.

Yes, indeed, travesty abounds.
"Trading is a mental sport." - Ziad Masri
Quoting Quickdraw
So, are you telling me you don't think Christianity is a religion? But you lesbianism IS a religion? Seriously? LOL!
hahaha Quickdraw the bible is just a book written hundreds of years ago by several people all over the world after JC died on his cross.

Every American should be forced to read all books of Darwin it would probably turn your violent country to a peacefull place.

So be nice to gays Quickdraw, they can live together they can fuck they can everything you can do so why not allow them to marry ? Why not, because some nutcase wrote a few words in a book 1500 years ago maybe it was the Britney Spears of that time or another dumbass who wrote it.

LOL and god bless you.
Quoting barkie
hahaha Quickdraw the bible is just a book written hundreds of years ago by several people all over the world after JC died on his cross.

Every American should be forced to read all books of Darwin it would probably turn your violent country to a peacefull place.

So be nice to gays Quickdraw, they can live together they can fuck they can everything you can do so why not allow them to marry ? Why not, because some nutcase wrote a few words in a book 1500 years ago maybe it was the Britney Spears of that time or another dumbass who wrote it.

LOL...
why gays want to be called "married" ? marriage is an act of religion.
  • Comment #24
  • Dec 31, 2015 12:00am Dec 31, 2015 12:00am
Quoting barkie
they can live together they can fuck they can everything you can do so why not allow them to marry ?
It's not only about the fact that homosexuality is against most peoples' religion, but it is also about the fact that it is sick and unnatural. Apparently you personally like having sex with other people of your own gender, but it doesn't make it normal or natural AND it is harmful to society.
"Trading is a mental sport." - Ziad Masri
A man having sex with another man is about as natural as a man having sex with a dog. I wouldn't bake a cake for either occasion.
The only system that will work is one designed by and for yourself.
wow this is bloody good reading on an otherwise boreing night
[quote=barkie;8665992]... the bible is just a book written hundreds of years ago by several people all over the world after JC died on his cross.

You are mistaking bad barkie, the old testament was written way before Jesus Christ, and not by some Britney Spears, but by 40+ people in few languages in different parts of the world, who didnt know each other, and yet when put together it had consistency.. no to mention the prophecies that got fulfilled in Jesus Christ, and could not have if there was no Divine hand involved ( place of his birth, his origins ....) SO instead reading Darwin, who was also aware of the holes in his theory, try reading the Bible for a change...
And not only in Christianity , the homosexuality is not approved not only in ANY religion, but also in nature, since so far, i havent read any research for homosexual animals,,except for some isolated group of monkeys some where in Africa... So, not only is not moral, its not natural as well
happy new year...
Quoting Mm8
wow this is bloody good reading on an otherwise boreing night
people leave, but this thread will go on for ever
".....or in this case a genetic disposition that makes people different. "

Wow! is this the way to describe genetical anormally? ..... just asking

Ok, to all you Sheeple and DEBT SLAVES out there! Research the following:
1) Vatican = in charge of Religion
2) City of London = in charge of Finance
3) Washington = in charge of wars.
These 3! Cities are totally independent and do not pay tax and cannot be held responsible for whatever comes out of them! They keep you entertained with their Media so you do not have time for critical thoughts and they let you kill yourselves for whatever reasons! And lately they are using Crisis Actors. Wake up people!!

Rant over
Quoting Quickdraw
It's not only about the fact that homosexuality is against most peoples' religion, but it is also about the fact that it is sick and unnatural. Apparently you personally like having sex with other people of your own gender, but it doesn't make it normal or natural AND it is harmful to society.
If I would be gay I wouldn't mind at all. If I was a woman I would be a lesbian because I never would be attracted to the ugly species called 'man'.

And I would do some naughty sexual acts right before religious fanatics like yourself who are btw very harmfull for society. Jihadi's, these 2 clowns in the video, nazi's, commies for me it's all the same.

You people have an ideology because there is a book. You dont know who's the author of it and when it was written. You live by that book and that's why you're live is so pathetic. Anyone who doesn't follow the book is evil.

Open your eyes buddie you're just an advanced monkey if you go back a couple of billion years your granddad is a fish.

Don't overestimate yourself and don't take yourself so seriously. And bake these 2 dykes a nice cake for God's sake !
Quoting barkie
If I would be gay I wouldn't mind at all. If I was a woman I would be a lesbian because I never would be attracted to the ugly species called 'man'.

And I would do some naughty sexual acts right before religious fanatics like yourself who are btw very harmfull for society. Jihadi's, these 2 clowns in the video, nazi's, commies for me it's all the same.

You people have an ideology because there is a book. You dont know who's the author of it and when it was written. You live by that book and that's why you're live is so pathetic. Anyone...
You ever thought of putting your name down for the nobel peace prize.ol
[quote=bily.k;8666420]
Quoting barkie
... the bible is just a book written hundreds of years ago by several people all over the world after JC died on his cross.

You are mistaking bad barkie, the old testament was written way before Jesus Christ, and not by some Britney Spears, but by 40+ people in few languages in different parts of the world...
Check out what God does to Onan when he ejacuates outside of a woman in Genesis 38. In the same passages where gay sex is condemned and punished, so is eating shrimp, crop co-mingling, eating rabbit, wearing linen and wool at the same time, and eating raw meat. So if you’re gonna be a Biblical literalist, you might as well start sewing your own clothes and becoming a vegetarian.
Quoting bloodpoodle
A man having sex with another man is about as natural as a man having sex with a dog. I wouldn't bake a cake for either occasion.
Who cares if it's natural if you like it just do it. Do you think sitting behind a chart and pressing buy and sell buttons all day is natural ? Who cares !
This thread is getting really too deep! at the end of the day everyone has their own opinion so just let them get on with it!
Well the discussion started with :why gay may stand for what they believe and Christians when they do , get to pay... but then , as always gay community jumped screaming that everybody that disagree with homosexuality is homophobic,,,next thing is probably another lawsuit against all members of FF that are not gay,,or even worse Christians..
You may have sex with whomever you choose its your choice, and If I chose to disagree with it , that's my right...
And no, is not an evolution thing the gay-ism... It existed always as deviation , only now its legal and "trendy"
None of you guys seem to really know where all this religion mess came from. If we don't know where we came from, we can't know where we are headed to.
here is some light for the serious researcher of historic truth.
The muslims copied from the christians,
Christians had copied the jews.

The jews had lived for 400+ years in Africa and were exposed to religious believes there for the first time.
But since they could not understand - or were not taught - all the secrets of the Egytians priests, they surmised the bunch of fables known as the bible, with hefty pinches of racism after they got chased from Egypt after a crime.
So, you can see that the basement of all this "religions of the book" thing is flawed.
No god ever uttered a word to nobody. And will never. That's why it always took wars to impose "god's" wills every where on earth.
Patience is magic
Quoting barkie
If I would be gay I wouldn't mind at all. If I was a woman I would be a lesbian because I never would be attracted to the ugly species called 'man'.

And I would do some naughty sexual acts right before religious fanatics like yourself who are btw very harmfull for society. Jihadi's, these 2 clowns in the video, nazi's, commies for me it's all the same.

You people have an ideology because there is a book. You dont know who's the author of it and when it was written. You live by that book and that's why you're live is so pathetic. Anyone...

I will once again repeat what I wrote earlier, because it is apparently something too far over your head for you to be able to understand:

It's not only about the fact that homosexuality is against most peoples' religion, but it is also about the fact that it is sick and unnatural. Apparently you personally like having sex with other people of your own gender, but it doesn't make it normal or natural AND it is harmful to society. And yes it IS harmful to society overall.

And in regards to the Jihadi's / Muslim "religion" being the same as other religions, you are 100% wrong. The "religion" the muslims follow is not really a religion. Instead it is actually a dangerous political movement meant to kill and terrorize others (among its other political agendas). It is ridiculous for you or anyone else to compare that to ACTUAL religions like Christianity. True religions do not teach as its core to kill and terrorize others (as the muslim bible - the Koran - does). For example, Christianity does not teach to kill and terrorize others. If you say that is not true then please point out where Jesus teaches such terrible things.

You need to learn to separate a dangerous political movement from an actual religion. Hopefully you have learned something from this thread. And it is all free of charge.
"Trading is a mental sport." - Ziad Masri
Quoting Ojiego
".....

Ok, to all you Sheeple and DEBT SLAVES out there! Research the following:
1) Vatican = in charge of Religion
2) City of London = in charge of Finance
3) Washington = in charge of wars.
These 3! Cities are totally independent and do not pay tax and cannot be held responsible for whatever comes out of them! They keep you entertained with their Media so you do not have time for critical thoughts...
At the core of the matter, well said!
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The Bakery owners could get their money back if they can make a killing on the USDCHF moves.
[quote=Quickdraw;8667382]
And in regards to the Jihadi's / Muslim "religion" being the same as other religions, you are 100% wrong. The "religion" the muslims follow is not really a religion. Instead it is actually a dangerous political movement meant to kill and terrorize others (among its other political agendas). It is ridiculous for you or anyone else to compare that to ACTUAL religions like Christianity.

@Quickdraw : You may not like 'Islam' or 'Muslim' but you've no wright to express hateful speech to another religion like 'Islam'/'Muslim'. I also belive your religion not teach you to hate 'Islam' or Muslims.
'Islam' is a peaceful religious things.Near about 2 billion people belive in 'Islam' and 50+ country has organization & its named "OIC".
My humble request to you, Please read about 'Islam' in open mind, then you realize 'Islam' is a peaceful religion things.
Trade with Patience
Quoting ayub11
Quoting Quickdraw
And in regards to the Jihadi's / Muslim "religion" being the same as other religions, you are 100% wrong. The "religion" the muslims follow is not really a religion. Instead it is actually a dangerous political movement meant to kill and terrorize others (among its other political agendas). It is ridiculous for you or anyone else to compare that to ACTUAL religions like Christianity.

@Quickdraw : You may not like 'Islam' or 'Muslim' but you've no wright to express hateful speech to another religion like 'Islam'/'Muslim'.
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Peace on you mate, and peace for all the world
Let me fill my acount wallet then will take Ur advice
Quoting Mingary
We are sailing on a ship of fools
Read a few comments ... I stand by what I wrote (:
Quoting Quickdraw
I will once again repeat what I wrote earlier, because it is apparently something too far over your head for you to be able to understand:

It's not only about the fact that homosexuality is against most peoples' religion, but it is also about the fact that it is sick and unnatural. Apparently you personally like having sex with other people of your own gender, but it doesn't make it normal or natural AND it is harmful to society. And yes it IS harmful to society overall.

And in regards to the Jihadi's / Muslim "religion" being the same as...
boy, how old are you?
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Quoting rafat habeb
Peace on you mate, and peace for all the world
Peace on you too.
Trade with Patience
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135 pips on a 100 lot trade will cover it
Quoting Quickdraw
True religions do not teach as its core to kill and terrorize others (as the muslim bible - the Koran - does). For example, Christianity does not teach to kill and terrorize others. If you say that is not true then please point out where Jesus teaches such terrible things.

You need to learn to separate a dangerous political movement from an actual religion. Hopefully you have learned something from this thread. And it is all free of charge.
If you want your God to be involved in, murder, cannibalism and mass slaughter you should consider your God yeah.

http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21

Compared to this Ted Bundy was a nice guy.
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