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    Philanthropists were especially generous in 2013. According to The Chronicle of Philanthropy’s annual list, the 50 biggest donors in America donated $7.7 billion in 2013, a 4% increase over the previous year. The median gift was $86.1 million, and 82 causes received gifts of $1 million or more. Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan have quickly ascended to the top of The Chronicle’s list. After giving away $498.8 million last year, they doubled their charitable donations to close to $1 billion in 2013. Zuckerberg, 29, and Chan, 28, are also by far the youngest donors on the list, which skews much older than ... (full story)

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  • Feb 10, 2014 8:44pm Feb 10, 2014 8:44pm
Really?!
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  • Feb 10, 2014 9:16pm Feb 10, 2014 9:16pm
Yes really. . . .And HALF their money goes to the US government, even AFTER they give away millions. It aint so great to be a billionaire.
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  • Feb 10, 2014 9:31pm Feb 10, 2014 9:31pm
Quoting PaulAmbrose
Yes really. . . .And HALF their money goes to the US government, even AFTER they give away millions. It aint so great to be a billionaire.
How do you know that to be true? A billionaire is so-called because s/he has a billion of some currency unit or other. In other words they are wealth billionaires, not salary billionaires. And it is highly likely that most if not all of that wealth is taxed at the lowest possible rates of tax as offered by the various low-tax jurisdictions scattered across the globe.
I have no clue what I'm talking about.
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  • Feb 10, 2014 9:55pm Feb 10, 2014 9:55pm
I believe zero of their money goes to the government. you probably don't know that rich don't pay tax at all. they pay accountants money to create way to avoid paying tax and paying lobbyist to create loophole so they don't pay taxes.
Quoting PaulAmbrose
Yes really. . . .And HALF their money goes to the US government, even AFTER they give away millions. It aint so great to be a billionaire.
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  • Feb 10, 2014 10:14pm Feb 10, 2014 10:14pm
Quoting PaulAmbrose
Yes really. . . .And HALF their money goes to the US government, even AFTER they give away millions. It aint so great to be a billionaire.
I guess them becoming a billionaire hasn't made anyone poor in process...
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  • Feb 10, 2014 11:48pm Feb 10, 2014 11:48pm
Look at this guy

http://www.businessinsider.my/biggest-philanthropists-2013-2014-2/8/#.UvmrGvl_slI

What a wonderful human being
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  • Feb 11, 2014 1:36am Feb 11, 2014 1:36am
Quoting CoolJL
I guess them becoming a billionaire hasn't made anyone poor in process...
Probably not - materially poor people are poor because they have poor mindset, not because they are incapable of attaining wealth.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 4:14am Feb 11, 2014 4:14am
I honestly don't know what's worse; that you hold that view or that you're then prepared to 'share' it. Unfukcinbelievable, truly jaw dropping.



Quoting michaelpelly
Probably not - materially poor people are poor because they have poor mindset, not because they are incapable of attaining wealth.
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
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  • Feb 11, 2014 4:30am Feb 11, 2014 4:30am
They should give some of it to me, I'd be more than happy to help by contributing to the economy via retail sales.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 4:42am Feb 11, 2014 4:42am
The top 85 people have more wealth than the bottom 3.5 billion. Thats more of an indictment of the rich mindset than the poor I believe.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 5:03am Feb 11, 2014 5:03am
Accident of birth is the biggest barrier to any form of success. Are you honestly suggesting that someone born into the sewers of Bangledesh, working for less than a dollar a day, has the same life chances as someone born in Berlin?

Or somebody born in the favelas in Brazil has the same opportunities as someone born into middle class comfort of Fulham? Honestly your statement is right up there with the most stupid I've ever read on this section. This "you can be a millionaire if you dream it, change your mindset to a winners and want it bad enough" is such bollocks.


Quoting michaelpelly
Probably not - materially poor people are poor because they have poor mindset, not because they are incapable of attaining wealth.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 6:52am Feb 11, 2014 6:52am
First stop Mayfair Maclaren for a P1?


Quoting GDR3k
They should give some of it to me, I'd be more than happy to help by contributing to the economy via retail sales.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 6:59am Feb 11, 2014 6:59am
Quoting Squeeze
First stop Mayfair Maclaren for a P1?
Definitely! it did look nice on Top Gear on Sunday
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  • Feb 11, 2014 7:03am Feb 11, 2014 7:03am
Have driven a friends older Mclaren model, think he wants to upgrade. Looks great in that burnt orange colour. They really are v.special aren't they?

120 grand for a used one with reasonable mileage? Come on, you can get there, just have a PMA, it's all you need apparently


Quoting GDR3k
Definitely! it did look nice on Top Gear on Sunday
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  • Feb 11, 2014 7:17am Feb 11, 2014 7:17am
Quoting michaelpelly
Probably not - materially poor people are poor because they have poor mindset, not because they are incapable of attaining wealth.
Shitties t thing I've heard in a while. I don't usually get wound up here but hear something like this! When will people realise, rich cannot exist without poor.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 7:33am Feb 11, 2014 7:33am
Quoting michaelpelly
Probably not - materially poor people are poor because they have poor mindset, not because they are incapable of attaining wealth.
This is true for most people born in the U.S.; what goes on inside your head has as much to do with your success in life as anything that goes on in your environment.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 7:41am Feb 11, 2014 7:41am
This subject comes up on occasionally on here. Your state of mind and the opportunities may help you 'do better' in the USA but you'll never think your way to becoming very wealthy.

Are you suggesting that everyone can go to Harvard and MIT, that they have the opportunity, the intelligence, the connections, the wealth?

Your state of mind counts for nothing if there's insurmountable barriers in your way and please don't come back to me with a few names out of the couple of hundred of examples who've made it to billionaire status out of the 350 million Americans who haven't.


Quoting Aaronfb
This is true for most people born in the U.S.; what goes on inside your head has as much to do with your success in life as anything that goes on in your environment.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 7:43am Feb 11, 2014 7:43am
Quoting CoolJL
When will people realise, rich cannot exist without poor.
Don't by into the lie that because someone gets a big slice of pie, everyone else gets a smaller piece. Truth is there is enough pie for everyone to have as big of slice as they want.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 7:52am Feb 11, 2014 7:52am
I am sure their charity means something. We can not have an ideal UTOPIA for everybody. It is an honorable and generous acts for me. ^_^
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  • Feb 11, 2014 8:01am Feb 11, 2014 8:01am
Quoting Squeeze
This subject comes up on occasionally on here. Your state of mind and the opportunities may help you 'do better' in the USA but you'll never think your way to becoming very wealthy.
"doing" whatever it is that you need to do to generate wealth starts with the mind. I don't think anyone is suggesting you can think yourself to riches, but you do need to be in a different frame of mind then what everyone else is doing.

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Are you suggesting that everyone can go to Harvard and MIT, that they have the opportunity, the intelligence, the connections, the wealth?

Most everyone has different gifts they can use in life. The majority of super rich people, didn't start that way. Many are born into poverty and like all of us have to overcome the reality that life is hard and takes a survivalist instinct to make it everyday.

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Your state of mind counts for nothing if there's insurmountable barriers in your way and please don't come back to me with a few names out of the couple of hundred of examples who've made it to billionaire status out of the 350 million Americans who haven't.

What insurmountable barriers? There are no barriers (aside from those few with mental handicaps) other then those YOU set for yourself. This is IT, go time everyday! You get one chance - one shot to live a life. One little snip of time to experience existence. You enemy is always in pursuit of you. Get out there and live it. What are you doing today that can make tomorrow better? You really believe that all those billionaires are that much better then you? Look how screwed up some of their lives are.

Success isn't always monetary. There is family, health, having the freedom to do things we enjoy. Visualize the life you want to live and then act to bring it into reality.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 8:02am Feb 11, 2014 8:02am
Where can I find you in the billionaires list Mr America?


Quoting Aaronfb
"doing" whatever it is that you need to do to generate wealth starts with the mind. I don't think anyone is suggesting you can think yourself to riches, but you do need to be in a different frame of mind then what everyone else is doing.



Most everyone has different gifts they can use in life. The majority of super rich people, didn't start that way. Many are born into poverty and like all of us have to overcome the reality that life is hard and takes a survivalist instinct to make it everyday.



What insurmountable barriers? There...
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All these amazing donations to US-based entities or Universities. Quick question - Why do not donate to countries who really need it? I don't think US Universities are more in need than Syria, Somalia, Eritrea, CAR, etc.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 8:29am Feb 11, 2014 8:29am
Quoting Squeeze
Where can I find you in the billionaires list Mr America?
Same place you would find Mark Zukerberg 10 years ago...
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  • Feb 11, 2014 8:39am Feb 11, 2014 8:39am
Correct you can't think your way to wealth.

Actually no, the vast majority of folk don't have gifts or hidden talents, they are average, at best they simply hold down jobs and pay the bills. Can't do that if you're born into favelas or slums in Asia...

How about average IQ, shocking abusive upbringing, physical disabilities, poor education, sickness..? They're not barriers even in developed worlds?

You need to dyor wrt how lifetime opportunities (even in developed countries) are severely impacted by aspects such as accident of birth, this "PMA" "can do" bollocks has the stench of the American Dream, not worked out too well for the 50 million on food stamps eh? What next, it's their own fault all they have to do is get a job?







Quoting Aaronfb
"doing" whatever it is that you need to do to generate wealth starts with the mind. I don't think anyone is suggesting you can think yourself to riches, but you do need to be in a different frame of mind then what everyone else is doing.



Most everyone has different gifts they can use in life. The majority of super rich people, didn't start that way. Many are born into poverty and like all of us have to overcome the reality that life is hard and takes a survivalist instinct to make it everyday.



What insurmountable barriers? There...
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
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Quoting Aaronfb
Don't by into the lie that because someone gets a big slice of pie, everyone else gets a smaller piece. Truth is there is enough pie for everyone to have as big of slice as they want.
Funniest thing I've heard in a while. Tell that to the poor kids who are struggling to even find water to drink.

You are right though there are enough pie for everyone, but rich gets to choose who they share it with.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 9:29am Feb 11, 2014 9:29am
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Good example... who knows those who read this thread become one of the super rich? what will you do with the money?
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  • Feb 11, 2014 9:34am Feb 11, 2014 9:34am
[quote=Spreadbetter;7273888]Correct you can't think your way to wealth.

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Actually no, the vast majority of folk don't have gifts or hidden talents, they are average, at best they simply hold down jobs and pay the bills. Can't do that if you're born into favelas or slums in Asia

How about average IQ, shocking abusive upbringing, physical disabilities, poor education, sickness..? They're not barriers even in developed worlds?

Almost everyone has crap they need to overcome if they want to have a successful life. Many find happiness beyond material things. The point is to define what you want from your life (in you mind) and then act to achieve it. The only things that separate you from your goal are things you allow to stop you. Many are born in highly disadvantaged situations, they can still be overcome.

If YOU can't be a part of getting what you want out of life, then what's the point of living? If YOU can't do ONE thing today to get you where you want to be, then you are not trying.

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You need to dyor wrt how lifetime opportunities (even in developed countries) are severely impacted by aspects such as accident of birth, this "PMA" "can do" bollocks has the stench of the American Dream, not worked out too well for the 50 million on food stamps eh? What next, it's their own fault all they have to do is get a job?

I wonder of the 50 million on foodstamps, how many smoke? How many have the means to buy alcohol or drugs? Drains them of their wealth, then their health. I've seen many use their government benefit to buy thinks like soda, potato chips and cookies. I wonder what the obesity rate is among families on welfare. Why are they not working? Are they incapable of work, or just lazy? Those that are working, how do they use their income to better themselves? How many take advantage of many of the work programs that the government offers for free to learn skills employers need? How many take free college courses offered to low income families? Know why people are an welfare? Because many of them choose to be. They bought into the lie that they can't do better. So they just live out their days thinking life owes them something. The 50 million on foodstamps are there because they have not figured out they don't need to be there. Most people in the US have been there. I've never been on welfare but I've been flat out instant macaroni and cheese everyday broke. I decided I didn't like it so I took classes. I read books. I study success. I take an active role in my life story.

Aside from temporary circumstances (lost job, death of income earner) there is no reason why people should be on welfare. That we have so many has nothing to do with the American Dream, and has everything to do with the bozos in public office and the American media sycophants.
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  • Feb 11, 2014 9:43am Feb 11, 2014 9:43am
Quoting CoolJL
Funniest thing I've heard in a while. Tell that to the poor kids who are struggling to even find water to drink.
If you are so worried about it, give them water! Help them dig a well. Teach them to walk out of the desert. If you are not willing to help them improve their situation, then don't complain about it.

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You are right though there are enough pie for everyone, but rich gets to choose who they share it with.

No they don't. The rich are not out to get you. Your financial success in life is 99.999% of what YOU do. Accept responsibility for your life and pursue what you want to get out of the short time you have to live it.

What do you think rich people do with their billions? Stuff it under a rock in the back yard? No, they put it back into the economy. Their wealth helps drive the economy that gives your employer reasons to employ you.

What are you missing in your life that if someone like Mark Zukerberg didn't have his billions you would have? What has he taken from you?
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Quoting Aaronfb
Quoting Spreadbetter
Correct you can't think your way to wealth.
I wonder of the 50 million on foodstamps, how many smoke? How many have the means to buy alcohol or drugs? Drains them of their wealth, then their health. I've seen many use their government benefit to buy thinks like soda, potato chips and cookies. I wonder what the obesity rate is among families on welfare. Why are they not working? Are they incapable of work, or just lazy? Those that are working, how do they use their income to better themselves? How many take advantage
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Good question... guys if you want to help people in the future... maybe it's better to buy them goods, foods, or pay their college... instead of giving the money...
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Quoting Aaronfb
If you are so worried about it, give them water! Help them dig a well. Teach them to walk out of the desert. If you are not willing to help them improve their situation, then don't complain about it.



No they don't. The rich are not out to get you. Your financial success in life is 99.999% of what YOU do. Accept responsibility for your life and pursue what you want to get out of the short time you have to live it.

What do you think rich people do with their billions? Stuff it under a rock in the back yard? No, they put it back into...

You believe that and live your comfy cosy life! The infrastructure that's been set up in the first world countries so that you and I can have comfy life is all at the expense of the poor countries. Am I the one believing the lies or are you the one blinded by the veil of the cosy life you live?
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  • Feb 11, 2014 10:08am Feb 11, 2014 10:08am
Hope the forum moderator don't mind me posting this link on community wisdom.
If the contents in the 2 documents are implemented, the world will be better than last time.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8k_nNJvgDDnUnRLTm5xQlhFa0k&usp=sharing
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  • Feb 11, 2014 10:52am Feb 11, 2014 10:52am
You're failing to answer where you came in on this debate which was...



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Quoting michaelpelly
Probably not - materially poor people are poor because they have poor mindset, not because they are incapable of attaining wealth.


This is true for most people born in the U.S.; what goes on inside your head has as much to do with your success in life as anything that goes on in your environment.


Quoting Aaronfb
Quoting Spreadbetter
Correct you can't think your way to wealth.



Almost everyone has crap they need to overcome if they want to have a successful life. Many find happiness beyond material things. The point is to define what you want from your life (in you mind) and then act to achieve it. The only things that separate you from your goal are things you allow to stop you. Many are born in highly disadvantaged situations, they can still be overcome.

If YOU can't be a part of getting what you want out of life, then what's the point
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"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
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  • Feb 11, 2014 11:04am Feb 11, 2014 11:04am
Honestly that really is a poor attempt at persuasion, you're obviously very young, a fake and deeply flawed idealist/wannabee capitalist and brainwashed by a system of thinking and propaganda you've been force fed.

I see and read this type of extreme right wing, neo con, swivel-eyed loon fringe type of opinion every day and knew you'd fall for the "let them pull themselves up by their bootstraps ideology". Here's an example in the uk that's as relevant to the USA.

In the uk we have approximately 4.8 ml on a form of out of work benefit chasing 500K (mainly churn temporary) jobs at any one time.

Let's wave a magic wand shall we and create full employment (by definition all the jobs filled) Dah Dah! We are still left with 4.3 million on a form of out of work benefit.

So what would you have them do Captain America, all start tech businesses making apps that no one needs or fukcin wants? Or be like you dreaming you're the next zuckerburk...?


Quoting Aaronfb
Quoting Spreadbetter
Correct you can't think your way to wealth.



Almost everyone has crap they need to overcome if they want to have a successful life. Many find happiness beyond material things. The point is to define what you want from your life (in you mind) and then act to achieve it. The only things that separate you from your goal are things you allow to stop you. Many are born in highly disadvantaged situations, they can still be overcome.

If YOU can't be a part of getting what you want out of life, then what's the point
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"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
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  • Feb 11, 2014 11:10am Feb 11, 2014 11:10am
The extremely wealthy park their wealth in offshore socially useless investment vehicles and they do it for reasons entirely opposite to your ideological beliefs.


Quoting Aaronfb
If you are so worried about it, give them water! Help them dig a well. Teach them to walk out of the desert. If you are not willing to help them improve their situation, then don't complain about it.



No they don't. The rich are not out to get you. Your financial success in life is 99.999% of what YOU do. Accept responsibility for your life and pursue what you want to get out of the short time you have to live it.

What do you think rich people do with their billions? Stuff it under a rock in the back yard? No, they put it back into...
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
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  • Feb 11, 2014 2:18pm Feb 11, 2014 2:18pm
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Dear Billionaires of the world,

Stop creating philanthropic company to hide money and please start pay your taxes to contribute to society.
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Quoting Spreadbetter
So what would you have them do Captain America, all start tech businesses making apps that no one needs or fukcin wants? Or be like you dreaming you're the next zuckerburk...?
People need to discover how to best use their talents. Some will start tech companies, others go into health services, some will find their talents in serving their country or their community as teachers, firemen, or policemen. Opportunity is unlimited. My point is people can achieve what they want to achieve if they are willing to work for it, regardless of the extent of financial success of todays billionaires.

Too many people want to blame the "rich" for their circumstances when really all they have to blame is themselves.
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Quoting Spreadbetter
The extremely wealthy park their wealth in offshore socially useless investment vehicles and they do it for reasons entirely opposite to your ideological beliefs.
And what are those investment vehicles doing? Putting money back into the economy. Short of putting their money under a matress, billionaires cycle their wealth back into the economy. Where do they buy the wood to build their homes? How about buying the food to eat? Where do they get the energy to supply their homes? Do they drive? What about all those million dollar yachts? Someone is getting paid to build them.

Let's take Zukerberg, as an example of a new billionaire. How has his accumulation of wealth negatively affected your finances personally?
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  • Feb 11, 2014 11:13pm Feb 11, 2014 11:13pm
Aaronfb, you really need to take some time to educate yourself.

Here's a start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jazb24Q2s94
"To hold, you must first open your hand. Let go." - Lao Tzu
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  • Feb 12, 2014 6:33am Feb 12, 2014 6:33am
Darn, there goes *that* plan. I woke this morning with every good intention of being a billionaire, but it all sounds too hard...
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  • Feb 12, 2014 6:44am Feb 12, 2014 6:44am
I watched a Louis Theroux film a while back in which he interviewed a charlatan who was promising the gullible a way of thinking themselves to becoming "a millionaire" which is absolutely fuck all these days tbh in terms of net wealth.

Anyhow these gullible American fools couldn't wait to sign up for the con mans version of hypnosis, PMA and NLP bullshit and not once did the initial intro mention the unique business ideas necessary to build this status, not once, it was all the pitiful "you can make the dreams happen" bollocks that Aaron spouts and soo many Americans seem brainwashed by.


Quoting ToeCutter
Darn, there goes *that* plan. I woke this morning with every good intention of being a billionaire, but it all sounds too hard...
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  • Feb 12, 2014 11:38am Feb 12, 2014 11:38am
Actually Aaron that's the whole point of off shoring can you imagine the inflationary chaos if the 16 trn usd currently parked was suddenly repatriated?


Quoting Aaronfb
And what are those investment vehicles doing? Putting money back into the economy. Short of putting their money under a matress, billionaires cycle their wealth back into the economy. Where do they buy the wood to build their homes? How about buying the food to eat? Where do they get the energy to supply their homes? Do they drive? What about all those million dollar yachts? Someone is getting paid to build them.

Let's take Zukerberg, as an example of a new billionaire. How has his accumulation of wealth negatively affected your finances...
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
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