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    From forexfactory.com

    About six years ago the vouching system was implemented to help identify credible members. The idea was that traders can find quality information faster when there's a visible indicator of the poster's credibility, and while it was never a perfect system, it saved traders countless hours by placing an icon next to the username of vouched members. We still believe in the idea behind the vouching system, but it’s clear that Forex Factory has outgrown it. Not only is the system built on hard-coded levels (e.g., 11 vouchers assigns top rank, 4 vouchers allows vouching for others), but it’s becoming a weaker indicator ... (full story)

Right-o TWAN......read this post. I will be expecting your reply TO THE GENESIS THREAD......and hurry up about it.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...98#post7126598
What was useful was the visibility of the vouch system in the news section against the member's ID.

The MIRS system only shows up in the forum section, and the member's profile.
Hi Dancingphil, we plan on rolling out the MIRS icons to the rest of the site in the coming weeks. That includes news comments.
vouchers represented ass-licking abilities, mir will represent - floodingness and trollingness, there is no way of telling how valueable the member is before you look in his account.

I would only agree on point system based on real account linkage and results, otherwise - its crap
Interesting feedback there buddy, the FF TROLL is now in the highest ranking two percent group, obviously no weighting for bans or trolling. Way to go FF dudes, they couldn't organise a simple algorithm in a nerds convention...

Quoting Ulterior
vouchers represented ass-licking abilities, mir will represent - floodingness and trollingness, there is no way of telling how valueable the member is before you look in his account.

I would only agree on point system based on real account linkage and results, otherwise - its crap
  •  onu
  • | Joined Feb 2006 | Status: superior senior member | 1 Comment
Changing the system w/o asking us isn't democratic at all LOL
Hi Twee,

Have you considered yet how to lower a member's impact rating based on the number of times they have been called out for trolling, disrespect towards others or commercial like activity?

I think besides a rating offset based on the number of times a member has been suspended or reprimanded, the system also needs to be adjusted to take into consideration on how many ignore lists the member is listed.

I think the above will help to discourage rule violations, especially by senior members.

Cheers
PT
@ onu...and they can't even get it right......once again, some people who were exempt from the 10+v requirement for posting to the Genesis thread, once again find themselves locked out.

Really getting pissed off with all the problems these idiots are causing me.............
Quoting Spreadbetter
Interesting feedback there buddy, the FF TROLL is now in the highest ranking two percent group, obviously no weighting for bans or trolling. Way to go FF dudes, they couldn't organise a simple algorithm in a nerds convention...
http://blog.forexfactory.com/?p=2805...=1#comment-420
Quoting Ulterior
vouchers represented ass-licking abilities, mir will represent - floodingness and trollingness, there is no way of telling how valueable the member is before you look in his account.

I would only agree on point system based on real account linkage and results, otherwise - its crap
Are you sure you're not just angry because of your -94% loss on your live account? I think the new rating system is miles better than the vouching system and I fully support it. Nothing is perfect, so all we can do is strive for the best.

Anyway, one should only be interested in somebody's live account if they are looking to mirror somebody else's trading, which is never a good idea. If you cannot trade on your own steam, then you need to go back to the drawing board and devise a system of your own. Riding somebody else's coat tails is a recipe for disaster.
Tbh mate FF is more you than me, you and a lot of other guys have invested huge amount of time and effort in all the other areas, I just come to read news, post on news and never had much interest in anything else 'on offer', the bells and whistles hold no interest, so if you guys reckon it's an improvement and you've had some input in shaping it all well and good. It's interesting that it hasn't 'passed' the first test I'd subject it to, but its the FF founders ball to play with at the end of the day


Quoting PipTrapper
http://blog.forexfactory.com/?p=2805...=1#comment-420
Er just one point of order; you couldn't accuse me of arse licking could you, I mean ffs.. Me?

Quoting Ulterior
vouchers represented ass-licking abilities, mir will represent - floodingness and trollingness, there is no way of telling how valueable the member is before you look in his account.

I would only agree on point system based on real account linkage and results, otherwise - its crap
Quoting Spreadbetter
It's interesting that it hasn't 'passed' the first test I'd subject it to
It 'fell at the first hurdle' for me too.....poorly tested 'enhancement' that I would have been fired for in my previous job.....
Quoting Spreadbetter
Tbh mate FF is more you than me, you and a lot of other guys have invested huge amount of time and effort in all the other areas, I just come to read news, post on news and never had much interest in anything else 'on offer', the bells and whistles hold no interest, so if you guys reckon it's an improvement and you've had some input in shaping it all well and good. It's interesting that it hasn't 'passed' the first test I'd subject it to, but its the FF founders ball to play with at the end of the day
Yes you're absolutely correct on that one. I spent my first 3 FF years here in the news section and I only used to come here to read news. In 2011 I decided to start a thread (mostly as a trading journal) and it has evolved into a community of like minded traders who value the significance of the market's fundamental drivers. Feel free to drop by some time. >>> http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...7077&page=5000
I'd have thought guys like you and Pip Trapper, with your massively supported threads, driving a significant amount of traffic, were consulted. Maybe its BETA with better improvements/tweaks to come?

Quoting realjumper
It 'fell at the first hurdle' for me too.....poorly tested 'enhancement' that I would have been fired for in my previous job.....
Quoting Spreadbetter
I'd have thought guys like you and Pip Trapper, with your massively supported threads, driving a significant amount of traffic, were consulted. Maybe its BETA with better improvements/tweaks to come?
On the contrary.....the silence from FF is deafening!
Looks like it will be a good thing..
Vouching game's over. Like it.
This is a horrible system because traders don't go out of their way to subscribe, whereas vouching they did - further indicated their respect.

Most members avoid from subscribing or unsubscribe just to avoid clutter on their homepage.

It's kind of weak. I put forth effort to get those vouches, and now they have been taken, eh.
@ Pip Anon

Cloggie: No 3 in the members list hasn't logged on since May 28, 2012

Malcolmb14: No 5 in the list hasn't logged on since Jun 23, 2013

redsword11: No 12 in the list hasn't logged on since Dec 27, 2011

.......and the list goes on

This system is more broken the one it replaces.....what a joke!
kind of sounds like McDonald's. Quantity of quality
my bad. Quantity over quality
The previous vouching system was abused/misused where vouches were given out like free gifts to undeserving members. To rank members by active subscription makes a lot of sense, since we tend not to subscribe or it will clutter our notification panel.

I also think we need some kind of "warning" badges (or penalty points) given to members who were Ignored the most, or were suspended multiple times, or had been complained about.
@ mmaker

"To rank members by active subscription" <------- are you listening TWAN????? *ACTIVE MEMBERS*....HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO???????
The smartest guys on ff don't have many vouchers. I did vouch for them, but I don't see them. And I don't see my inbox.
@Pip Anon: noone can take away your knowledge or experience.. If you done it once, you can do it any time..

@Twee: I agree bro.. we outgrow the old +10v system..

I do support MIRS system, and I would pay a bit more attention and weight on Trade Explorers..

Subscription/buddy voting is not enough..
for one to rank higher, he/she must have a very good return in live account supported by trade explorer

[END of Story.. ]
Twan... I didn't understand a word you wrote.
Before commenting on MIRS, thanks a ton for removing that bullshit vouches system! Now this system is good but would have been better if you also include points mentioned above i.e. take count of ignore list, take count of suspension, who's the troll, positive trade explorer (live or demo).
Thanks a TON for removing that EGO INFLATING vouching SHIT, which helped elevating some morons to think and post like GODS. Have been posting about removing vouching system since last 2 years, to restore some saneness ; a very good step.

MIRS looks to be good alternative but only time will tell how good it is and how it would be used and manipulated

Some feedback (as some posted above)
- most important , penalize all those who are in large number of ignore lists most probably because of trolling, useless comments, abuse & insanity
- mention trading performance being part of MIRS and STRONGLY suggest traders to use trade explorer , ESPECIALLY if they are a guru or teacher of a trading system floating around here, with loads of minions along
- Also add private explorers into these stats (if traders allow; just like allow anonymous stats intake option) as all traders do not want their performance to be public, they may be wanting to just analyze their stats . You can mention a explorer with H/P icon on explorers on members page list, for being Hidden/Private
- Of course when i meant explorers i meant live explorers only, demo stuff is only helpful while dreaming
- penalize members when warnings are issued
- 6 monthly time frame to exclude subscribers is correct but i think with time, that time should increase and actually higher weighted %age can be given to number of early subscribers rather than no of new subscribers (that will check manipulation from new id's, which is quite common already on FF)
- and someone for god's sake reply me (have asked this multiple times) what shit is "Additional Username" , why multiple id's are not banned, as per rule ?

more later..
I think that the decision is not good from a practical point of view. I wish in section subscriptions to only have a few topics and forum members. Then I will injure many other members that I think that they are good traders.
Sorry, but I already hate this 'MIRS' method.
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Quoting Spreadbetter
Tbh mate FF is more you than me, you and a lot of other guys have invested huge amount of time and effort in all the other areas, I just come to read news, post on news and never had much interest in anything else 'on offer', the bells and whistles hold no interest, so if you guys reckon it's an improvement and you've had some input in shaping it all well and good. It's interesting that it hasn't 'passed' the first test I'd subject it to, but its the FF founders ball to play with at the end of the day
I have to say (though it is up to you to accept) you have not told the truth here. But first let me point out that no system is perfect and indeed the extent to which a system is useful depends very much on what and how the people it serves invest in it.

The truth is the former system of vouches had much not to commend about it a) it was not market based (democratic if you like) in that people arrogated importance among themselves based on how one warmed (or more correctly wormed) his or her way into any of several standing cliques of (wise???) members. This caused people desirous of the 'benefits' of FF 'title' to be less honest about themselves and more approval seeking in behavior insofar as the target clique of interest was concerned. It caused a great deal of harm and promoted dishonesty of all sorts not least of which was posturing and claims to "outside world" credentials which could hardly ever be proven (and which are in any case mostly immaterial to the needs of the community) b) it was not meritorious at all as opposed to the new system where you could in 2 -3 weeks of joining establish enough merit to warrant H.I.M status ------------> unlike the new system the old locked many good men (and women) out for no good reason and promoted the less valuable among us (by community assessment that is) and made new entrants feel either intimidated unnecessarily or to hold back from constructive engagement. This new approach promotes engagement and openness as really there is nothing you need to do other than be yourself and maintain being yourself (indeed it does not as someone suggests promote trolling since once your output is not valued you soon get the message either by a fall from grace or no rise at all despite intense effort to -- it is a very objective and useful approval ratings system especially since it is based on community values).

I shall (on my return) focus on this question and how it impacts membership and the utility of the site as a one stop (and must have access) site for active traders. But for now I say the above and especially with respect to the view you expressed that makes it look as if your interest in FF is far less intense than those of others.

Cheers and see you soon
danger flag (red color) for top 2%
Already saw some inconsistencies in the ranking:

http://i.imgur.com/8aBq8Cm.png
Skynet with only 18 buddies and 11 subscribers is ranked Top 2%.
gg53 has 51 buddies and 32 subscribers but on Members page showed 0 subscribers.

http://i.imgur.com/R9Za6ZY.png
4exNinja, mikepip, Wolf, with only 6 buddies and 7 subscribers are ranked Top 5%.
Quoting mmaker
Already saw some inconsistencies in the ranking:

http://i.imgur.com/8aBq8Cm.png
Skynet with only 18 buddies and 11 subscribers is ranked Top 2%. gg53 has 51 buddies and 32 subscribers but on Members page showed 0 subscribers.

http://i.imgur.com/R9Za6ZY.png
4exNinja, mikepip, Wolf, with only 6 buddies and 7 subscribers are ranked Top 5%.
Indeed...which makes it no better (or worse) than the previous system.
Quoting mmaker
Already saw some inconsistencies in the ranking:

http://i.imgur.com/8aBq8Cm.png
Skynet with only 18 buddies and 11 subscribers is ranked Top 2%. gg53 has 51 buddies and 32 subscribers but on Members page showed 0 subscribers.

http://i.imgur.com/R9Za6ZY.png
4exNinja, mikepip, Wolf, with only 6 buddies and 7 subscribers are ranked Top 5%.
It's not only based on the number of subscribers, but rather on the number of subscribers/buddies that have been active in the last 6 months. Any subs/buds that have not been active are not counted. You also get extra points for having a live account in trade explorer with good results.
You're wrong, the new system is deeply flawed so much so that only new totally inexperienced traders, seduced to subscribing to the type of bullshit you peddle on the news section only, help your ranking. For you to rank equal with the likes of Hanover, Pip Trapper, Real Jumper makes a mockery of the new ranking; where's your thread with thousands of followers obtained over years of free magnanimous effort?

There is no adjustment for how many experienced traders have ignored you and how many bans you've received, you actually hold the record for that dubious achievement.

You're the antithesis of how FF imagined this new ranking would work and you have to be taking the piss regarding your "community values" quote given the contempt you've displayed towards your fellow traders. Your trolling and obsessional behaviour has marked you out as FF's only troll, but hey, knock yourself out begging for donations when you return, you sad muppet.


Quoting Guest
I have to say (though it is up to you to accept) you have not told the truth here. But first let me point out that no system is perfect and indeed the extent to which a system is useful depends very much on what and how the people it serves invest in it.

The truth is the former system of vouches had much not to commend about it a) it was not market based (democratic if you like) in that people arrogated importance among themselves based on how one warmed (or more correctly wormed) his or her way into any of several standing cliques of (wise???)...
Quoting PipTrapper
It's not only based on the number of subscribers, but rather on the number of subscribers/buddies that have been active in the last 6 months. Any subs/buds that have not been active are not counted. You also get extra points for having a live account in trade explorer with good results.
For definite, my live account password is never coming anywhere close to FF..... LOL
I thought I'd already pointed out the fault? In the background he privately messages new and inexperienced traders asking if they'd like to subscribe to him for free, has accidentally worked out for him on here now eh? But wtf, it is what it is, its FF's ball when all said and done,

I'm just pointing out one glaring error wrt the only deceitful, disingenuous troll on FF. No weighting for bans, the majority delivered by experienced traders in the community? The troll must be pissing himself laughing at his good fortune. But wtf, let him continue with his deeply damaged behaviour, I'm kinda past caring, FFs problem not mine. Great time of year for me and the future is so bright I might have to start wearing shades permanently

Quoting mmaker
Your good friend Loadedgun had 75 subscribers so he will rank high when he comes out of suspension.
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Quoting mmaker
Your good friend Loadedgun has 75 subscribers so he will rank high when he comes out of suspension.
I think what is important here and the point of the new approach is not rank ----------------> really it is not. It is how others value your contributions currently. Our participation should not be driven by fleeting 'titles' and the vouches of others but I believe anyone should feel it welcome to know that his or her contributions are seen as valuable by others and should also be regulated similarly if falling or low in the rating of peers, etc.

Yes I am a High Impact Member already ---------------> but I did not scheme for it even as there is no way I know to maintain that "status" since it all depends on how many persons in circulation value association with me ----------------> simple.

What it does though is to make me more sensitive to the quality of my participation in terms of the knowledge and insights I share and of course whatever else one does in a social hub such as this to relate to others. Do not forget FF does not pay anyone to be a High anything -----------> the benefit comes from having a good sense of self (Marslow in his hierarchy of needs calls it self-actualization) so in that sense FF admins are spot on and very clever and current (scientific) to find a means of motivating more effective, open and constructive participation by all. Get it?
No amount of your tortuous dissembling alters the fact that you (as a rogue element) have proven the fault in the new system. A group of your betters and peers have ignored you, banned you and continually ridiculed your bizarre, unhinged and disruptive behaviour. Moreover your actual calls couldn't be more spectacularly wrong.

But based on the new ranking, because you've deliberately contacted new traders to prey on their weaknesses, has caused you to rank equally with genuine 'legends' on this site who have created incredibly valuable content for FF. Whereas you have only used this section to pick of weak confused prey and feed off their dependence and donations.

You got lucky, ocassionally shit happens. I wouldn't be trying to curve fit the justification if I were you, there is no justification for your new ranking which will further aid your underhand behaviour and motives for being on FF. Like I said you got lucky, you can push it or just accept it, but justified it isn't.



Quoting Guest
I think what is important here and the point of the new approach is not rank ----------------> really it is not. It is how others value your contributions currently. Our participation should not be driven by fleeting 'titles' and the vouches of others but I believe anyone should feel it welcome to know that his or her contributions are seen as valuable by others and should also be regulated similarly if falling or low in the rating of peers, etc.

Yes I am a High Impact Member already ---------------> but I did not scheme for it even as there...
Quoting Spreadbetter
No amount of your tortuous dissembling alters the fact that you (as a rogue element) have proven the fault in the new system. A group of your betters and peers have ignored you, banned you and continually ridiculed your bizarre, unhinged and disruptive behaviour. Moreover your actual calls couldn't be more spectacularly wrong.

But based on the new ranking, because you've deliberately contacted new traders to prey on their weaknesses, has caused you to rank equally with genuine 'legends' on this site who have created incredibly valuable content...
Having never posted as a 'Guest', I assume that all 'guest' posts are viewed by a moderator before the 'Guest' posting goes live??
Quoting realjumper
Having never posted as a 'Guest', I assume that all 'guest' posts are viewed by a moderator before the 'Guest' posting goes live??
No there is no such moderation in the news section. The only requirement as a guest is that you prove that you are not a spamming machine.
Quoting PipTrapper
No there is no such moderation in the news section. The only requirement as a guest is that you prove that you are not a spamming machine.
Okay...cheers
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Quoting PipTrapper
No there is no such moderation in the news section. The only requirement as a guest is that you prove that you are not a spamming machine.
YES THERE IS!!
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The moderator only verifies that you are not a machine.
Many a time guest posts were approved and then removed later.
I think they moderate each one, which the troll is bypassing.


Quoting Guest
YES THERE IS!!
I guess all we can do is see how it works out.
So either way, the fact that he (LG) consistently posts here as a 'Guest' despite being suspended shows that FF condone his postings and therefore his behaviour.....which is par for the course for this place......
He desperately craves attention, he sees his sad, hollow, pointless existence as confirmed by interaction of any type on here. You run a great and valuable thread, he trolls, that's just one small measure that separates you as human beings and traders, thereafter the differences are infinite. Just be glad you are where you are, in terms of your personal life and be glad that Loaded Up has carved out the existence he truly deserves.

The best he'll achieve on FF is encouraging a few clueless, desperately sad and penniless noobs to give him a few dollars each month, he has approx less than 10 that do that now, the amusing part is that once he moves past the bullshit narrative and rhetoric into actual calls he's that completely useless at following market direction his numbers will crumble..

Everything has been done and everything has been tried in the retail industry, there's nothing new. Con men like him always fail ultimately once one or two in the group begin to dissent, it happened on the main forums with certain commercial members with hundreds if not thousands of paid subscribers.


Quoting realjumper
So either way, the fact that he (LG) consistently posts here as a 'Guest' despite being suspended shows that FF condone his postings and therefore his behaviour.....which is par for the course for this place......
Quoting PipTrapper
Are you sure you're not just angry because of your -94% loss on your live account? I think the new rating system is miles better than the vouching system and I fully support it. Nothing is perfect, so all we can do is strive for the best.

Anyway, one should only be interested in somebody's live account if they are looking to mirror somebody else's trading, which is never a good idea. If you cannot trade on your own steam, then you need to go back to the drawing board and devise a system of your own. Riding somebody else's coat tails is a...
After reviewing your reply and looking into your profile I thought what to write to you ... You are just an addition noise which thinks he knows something. Did you really think having complied to a new vouching system you can raise your credibility and ask if someone feels about something you have no clue about? Run back to your useless threads and muppet friends who will lick your arse and subscribe to your thread, but to me - you are nothing and your opinions mean absolutely nothing
I'd agree that the more involved you are as a member of this community and can categorically prove your 'worth' and performance then the higher the ranking should be. Fwiw I've no interest in the system overall as I've nothing I'm prepared to share, but to have trolls ranked equally with guys who've selflessly managed threads magnanimously for years, for the benefit of the FF community, is completely absurd IMO.

Quoting mmaker
I support your call for TradeExplorer to be given weightage. You saw the usual excuses from the 10+ vouches "experts".
Quoting Ulterior
After reviewing your reply and looking into your profile I thought what to write to you ... You are just an addition noise which thinks he knows something. Did you really think having complied to a new vouching system you can raise your credibility and ask if someone feels about something you have no clue about? Run back to your useless threads and muppet friends who will lick your arse and subscribe to your thread, but to me - you are nothing and your opinions mean absolutely nothing
Hmmm. Judging by your less than eloquent response, I suspect I stepped on a sensitive nerve. Sorry to have commented. Obviously you need help which I am incapable of providing. So carry on and mind your step.
Quoting mmaker
I support your call for TradeExplorer to be given weightage. You saw the usual excuses from the 10+ vouches "experts".
The new rating system does in fact give weight to trade explorers... or at least it is designed to do so. I haven't audited it to make sure simply because it's not my responsibility.

A quote taken from the blog post.
"MIRS credits members who have positive Trade Explorer returns,"
Quoting PipTrapper
Hmmm. Judging by your less than eloquent response, I suspect I stepped on a sensitive nerve. Sorry to have commented. Obviously you need help which I am incapable of providing. So carry on and mind your step.
you couldnt come up with anything smart, so you came with the insult - you are just sad troll, thinking you are something Making fun of people who could have lost money is normal to you? Like it will never happen to you? Knowing you are still around here, tells me that you havent got very far on making money yourself, probably paying rent and gambling on mcD paychecks. That explorer you referred to was inactive for 2 or 3 years, and you think I would still be around if I hadnt traded ever since. If you would be serious about trading, you wouldnt need a supporting barking of your subscribers. BTW, you didnt succeed in IT too, everybody probably laughed at the work you did so you thought trading is a good place to hide your incompetence.
Quoting Ulterior
you couldnt come up with anything smart, so you came with the insult - you are just sad troll, thinking you are something Making fun of people who could have lost money is normal to you? Like it will never happen to you? Knowing you are still around here, tells me that you havent got very far on making money yourself, probably paying rent and gambling on mcD paychecks. That explorer you referred to was inactive for 2 or 3 years, and you think I would still be around if I hadnt traded ever since. If you would be serious about trading, you wouldnt...
Best you focus on your self worth than on me. Good day.
Quoting PipTrapper
Best you focus on your self worth than on me. Good day.
did I ever question you about something? I am focusing on my own, without you approval, now scam back to you EurAnalysis. You stepped in your own shit and it smells around you, putting you on Ignore
Quoting Ulterior
did I ever question you about something? I am focusing on my own, without you approval, now scam back to you EurAnalysis. You stepped in your own shit and it smells around you, putting you on Ignore
atta boy
These tiny diamond 'flags' make no sense. You should have a 10 bars next to each user name, the more valid their contribution, the more bars are coloured. So if you have 8 out of 10 coloured green, then you know they've make worthy contributions, if you have 3 out of 10 coloured red, they are a shit hot contributor. Having small icons next to usernames makes it hard to discern veracity and validity of content. Why are you trying to re-invent the wheel, just use the contributor system other forums use...it works great.
Also wanted to add this...let's say i'm searching for info about how old a rock is, i'd mooch through google and use their discussions options to view forums and i quickly scan the user profile to see if they have 12,000 points for example and 3,500 posts. With these two numbers i know the member knows their topic very well and so i use their info more so than someone with 12 posts and a total of 3 points. Using tiny coloured flags obfuscates user content.
@FiatFap... So you are looking for a "Like" button for each post?
c/p from blog's comments because it desrves to be here too:
"forexsaint says:
December 2, 2013 @ 1:00 am
Thanks a TON for removing that EGO INFLATING vouching SHIT, which helped elevating some morons to think and post like GODS..."

It is a giant leap towards the right direction.
Mission will be accomplished when what counts the most is:
1) a trade explorer EVEN A DEMO. If you think a 6+ months demo as easy task I say many 10+v's are unable to provide one EVER.
2) the IGNORE instead of SUBSCRIBE. Additionally if someone thereafter keeps complaining and don't proceed to the promoted use of IGNORE, to get a ban as a third world troll.
3) WHO subscribed whom. A bigger audience can be achievable by a demagogue so it is the quality of one's subscribers(their explorers in particular) that gives him hard earned glory.

Once again THANK YOU FF for leaving the beast toothless. You won me back.
It would appear that this revision has awoken some of the dead...it would also appear that FF are working on two additions to their ratings algorithm; bans and ignored, that weighting should ensure that trolls such as Loaded Up rate lower than whale shit, permanently. I'm also reliably informed that one more temp suspension and he's gone. Unlucky eh? You sad sock puppet/alias/acolyte <delete as appropriate>


Quoting Timetraveler
c/p from blog's comments because it desrves to be here too:
"forexsaint says:
December 2, 2013 @ 1:00 am
Thanks a TON for removing that EGO INFLATING vouching SHIT, which helped elevating some morons to think and post like GODS..."

It is a giant leap towards the right direction.
Mission will be accomplished when what counts the most is:
1) a trade explorer EVEN A DEMO. If you think a 6+ months demo as easy task I say many 10+v's are unable to provide one EVER.
2) the IGNORE instead of SUBSCRIBE. Additionally if someone thereafter keeps...
@PipTrapper: that sounds too much like farcebook; an excellent model to copy is stackoverflow[com]. Members have a reputation score and trophies - it's easy to see which members are knowledgeable just by viewing their stats when they reply to questions and the UGC ensures a positive feedback loop that rewards altruistic members. As it stands on FF, showing a tiny coloured icon shows nothing of value. For example, if you see an answer on stackoverflow by someone with loads of reputation points and the community has also flagged it as the best one, then the info is extremely valuable.
Also, you shouldn't have to hover over the member name to see details. When i'm scanning threads, i like to see member details first before i decide to read a wall of text. The voucher system was great and this revision is obtuse. Just copy stackoverflow's reputation system and it will encourage qualitative and quantitative contributions from members.
Have an up &amp; down arrow for each and every post to build reputation posts. For threads, have a flag system so members can click a button to add a flag if they think it's good.
Quoting Spreadbetter
It would appear that this revision has awoken some of the dead...it would also appear that FF are working on two additions to their ratings algorithm; bans and ignored, that weighting should ensure that trolls such as Loaded Up rate lower than whale shit, permanently. I'm also reliably informed that one more temp suspension and he's gone. Unlucky eh? You sad sock puppet/alias/acolyte <delete as appropriate>
That's very good news, because as it is this MIRS system is really no better than the Vouching one. As it is clueless traders and trolls can easily get top MIRS ranks ( example: http://www.forexfactory.com/samer1970 ).
Trolls come in many forms and are trolls for a variety of reasons. The most common internet forum troll is a miserable sob in denial and can only feel good if he/she berates others, thereby convincing him/herself that their subject is no better than them.

So I decided to kick his/her ass royally ...it's the EURO...still whipping...so far so good...
person without live account linked should not be even considered for any such system.

posting great stuff and trading in real world is two very different things.
I cannot agree with you more RJ!

For those of us with nothing to sell, no point to prove and no ego in the game, WTF would we part with our trading account passwords into the hands of essentially strangers to us?

Ideas of such; these ideas are a nonsense. And these ideas could only exist in the minds of people with very small trading accounts and careers.

I'm happy if I have no reputation at all here and a quiet, safe and secure life with my trading password safe and sound.

In fact, I am mostly here for the FF News and Calendar pages. Kudos to you for investing so much work in your Genesis thread. You are a better man than me.

Quoting realjumper
Assuming they implement anything that anyone other than themselves suggests.....and as far as bribing members by giving extra kudos to those who show a profitable TE...well....let me say it again.....my trading account password will NEVER be revealed to a third party.....NEVER going to happen under any circumstances whatsoever.
The new ranking scheme is as useless to me as the old one was and I will ignore it just as much (completely).
Quoting dancingphil
I cannot agree with you more RJ!

For those of us with nothing to sell, no point to prove and no ego in the game, WTF would we part with our trading account passwords into the hands of essentially strangers to us?

Ideas of such; these ideas are a nonsense. And these ideas could only exist in the minds of people with very small trading accounts and careers.

I'm happy if I have no reputation at all here and a quiet, safe and secure life with my trading password safe and sound.

In fact, I am mostly here for the FF News and Calendar pages....
Thank you Phil....clearly we are on the same page here.....
I guess the buddy list is all that matters now, are subscribers kind of like parasites? LOL I don't know why anyone would subscribe to me anyway. Just like The Fool above me, I won't pay attention to the ranking system....it's easy to tell who knows what they are doing by what they post. I just wish I had access to the screen names of the people I vouched for and vouched for me-I would often use that to find their posts and catch up with them.
I would never share my trade acct. info. I also don't have time to play with a demo.
Exactly!

Ideas of such could NEVER be the design of a professional trader.

Only those with ego problems, or something to sell could be interested in such nonsense.

Quoting calderone
I would never share my trade acct. info. I also don't have time to play with a demo.
Quoting dancingphil
Exactly!

Ideas of such could NEVER be the design of a professional trader.

Only those with ego problems, or something to sell could be interested in such nonsense.
Exactly. All my best to you.
What, so in order for retail punters to show and tell on FF they'd have to peel away the security aspects of their trading accounts? Why would anyone want to do that, moreover what's the benefit of sharing anyhow? Does this relate to all these guys picking up pennies in front of steam rollers doing copy, mirror and PAMM account nonsense?

Agree with RJ and others for their efforts on those threads, really unselfish magnanimous efforts that should be more recognised.

Quoting dancingphil
I cannot agree with you more RJ!

For those of us with nothing to sell, no point to prove and no ego in the game, WTF would we part with our trading account passwords into the hands of essentially strangers to us?

Ideas of such; these ideas are a nonsense. And these ideas could only exist in the minds of people with very small trading accounts and careers.

I'm happy if I have no reputation at all here and a quiet, safe and secure life with my trading password safe and sound.

In fact, I am mostly here for the FF News and Calendar pages....
Everybody who received vouches on merit will dislike it. Those who couldn't get 4 vouches because they didn't deserve them will Love it. Those who are a pain in the neck on the threads will Love it.

Frankly, I can't see an advantage for anyone who has any real market wisdom, or who can make a serious contribution. But I can see that you've probably pleased the majority &amp; alienated the more mature and seasoned traders.

And it may allow you to increase your membership at the expense of quality. Zerohedge is a perfect example of that sort of thing, a successful blog with low level, uncontrolled posting.

I truly wish you good luck on your future endeavors, and I can see your point of view &amp; respect it, even though I personally perfer quality over quantity. ;^)

Best regards.
I agree with all those above who would never link their real account (or demo) with a forum. This is a game for egotistical children who want attention, not serious traders. Surely it's obvious since most "trade explorers" are losing money. ;^D

Perhaps that's what FF wants, to attract more "kiddies". I think being in the top ten internet sites has probably gone to their heads. And why not. They're in good company, look at Obama! ;^D

Get a few million more 'kiddies' on board and we could make a public offering! Cash in! We'd all be billionaires! Pretty hard to resist with the likes of twit_ter, facebutt, etc. (oops, typo! ;^)

Well, can't blame them, & I wish them well in fulfilling their dreams.

Personally, I prefer things the way they were a while back.

Anybody up to starting a forum for serious traders? ;^D
Lets cut the crap if you can trade and got the track you will not think twice to show it. It is not an ego thing and it is what you do if you do professionally. Those who cannot trade professionally are scared shitless and that is all and no more excuses ----> Open Outcry is what? Is it not trading? Were the traders there not pros --------> was it ego? did you see a child on the floor or in the pit? If you cannot trade then you cannot trade dancing monkey or not and you are not a pro and if you are a pro then you will stand and be counted at the call. Simple
Go on dickhead. No one's stopping you. Put up your Trade Explorer where your mouth is. Let the world see how much of a pro you are.

Simple

Quoting Loadedgun
Lets cut the crap if you can trade and got the track you will not think twice to show it. It is not an ego thing and it is what you do if you do professionally. Those who cannot trade professionally are scared shitless and that is all and no more excuses ----> Open Outcry is what? Is it not trading? Were the traders there not pros --------> was it ego? did you see a child on the floor or in the pit? If you cannot trade then you cannot trade dancing monkey or not and you are not a pro and if you are a pro then you will stand and be counted at the...
Quoting dancingphil
Go on dickhead. No one's stopping you. Put up your Trade Explorer where your mouth is. Let the world see how much of a pro you are.

Simple
It is there but trash cannot view it since only those with credentials can and it is always and will always be greens you see. I trade and I am a pro that is what I do not monkey around the pages of FF.
Quoting Loadedgun
....if you can trade and got the track you will not think twice to show it. It is not an ego thing and it is what you do if you do professionally. ...Open Outcry is what? Is it not trading? Were the traders there not pros --------> was it ego? did you see a child on the floor or in the pit? If you cannot trade then you cannot trade dancing monkey or not and you are not a pro and if you are a pro then you will stand and be counted at the call. Simple
Open Out Cry is a far cry from a bunch of trader wannabees with $250 accounts bragging about winning when their trade explorer is under water! ;^D

"...if you are a pro then you will stand and be counted at the call...."

BTW Loadedgun, where is your trade explorer. I'd like to check it out. Or are you trading in the pits these days?

"...then you cannot trade dancing monkey or not and you are not a pro..."

Not sure what a "dancing monkey" has to do with it....must be a local idiom.

"Never argue with a fool! He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience!" ~ Mark Twain
Quoting Loadedgun
It is there but trash cannot view it since only those with credentials can and it is always and will always be greens you see. I trade and I am a pro that is what I do not monkey around the pages of FF.
But I thought you were defending monkeying around the pages at FF....Weren't you defending trade explorers?

Didn't you just say, "... if you can trade and got the track you will not think twice to show it..."?

But now you're refusing to show yours, aren't you? "...It is there but trash cannot view it since only those with credentials can...."

Please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems kind of contradictory, Loaded...you said no pro should be afraid to show their results, and now you're refusing to show yours.

I hope this doesn't accidentally put you in your "scared shitless" category! ;^D

"...Those who cannot trade professionally are scared shitless and that is all and no more excuses..."
Quoting dancingphil
Go on dickhead. No one's stopping you. Put up your Trade Explorer where your mouth is. Let the world see how much of a pro you are.

Simple
Good one, Phil! ;^D
My trade explorer is up and running and doing well in the sense that it reflects the pro I am but it is my prerogative to decide who views it. Just today I wrote Twee to see if we can get a function running that will enable my subscribers list among those who can view my trades but locking out trash and dancing monkeys with their closet agendas running their scrawny assess about the pages of FF. So if you cannot see it then you a) not a subscriber or b) buddy and therefore you have not the credentials to and like I said I am a pro since this is what I do and I do not traffic with idiots or trash.cheers
Calliing people names, trash, dancing monkeys & scrawny asses (I wish my arse was scrawny, been putting on weight lately sitting at the computer ;^) doesn't make you sound very professional, Loaded.... ;^)

I don't doubt your word, Loaded, but you were the one who said that a pro show put it all out there, when the other pros here disagreed.

Anyway, may you trade well!

Cheers.
Those who are not pros got no way of knowing what it is to be a pro or by what code we live. I do not do poor trash (defined as those who show no respect for others) and I do not do dancing monkeys ----------> because I am not an old bag of muscles biologically moribund mutt. Pretty simple really. Cheers
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You describe yourself as a pro? Which bank or hedge fund do you work at?


Quoting Loadedgun
Those who are not pros got no way of knowing what it is to be a pro or by what code we live. I do not do poor trash (defined as those who show no respect for others) and I do not do dancing monkeys ----------> because I am not an old bag of muscles biologically moribund mutt. Pretty simple really. Cheers
Once again Phil doesn't dance around the subject and gets straight to the point. Bravo.


Quoting dancingphil
Go on dickhead. No one's stopping you. Put up your Trade Explorer where your mouth is. Let the world see how much of a pro you are.

Simple
My opinion:

I could care less how many vouches you have, how many MIRS you have or how many girlfriends you have, how many parties you crashed, how many GBP or USD longs you have.....I don't even care if you have a 1000% gain per year.

This is a forum. And it will always be exactly that..... and NOTHING more.

If you choose to show the world that your worth is based on how many "MIRS, Vouches, Facebook likes, Friends you have," than I bid you adieu, and wish you good fortune and fame, for this I do not seek.
He works at a little known Hedgie called Geppetto LLC, he's the founders son*



*Made of wood


Quoting Guest
You describe yourself as a pro? Which bank or hedge fund do you work at?
i come to FF everyday since 2009, and i don't know what you guys talking about?? looks like this forum more complicated, and the member sound need to be respected..

Quoting Spreadbetter
He works at a little known Hedgie called Geppetto LLC, he's the founders son*



*Made of wood
I think you meant "he is a branch of a hedge"
Monkey chatter -------------------------> Platonic monkeys that is what a laugh at a scandal
Today I went from yellow to orange... I was so exited…... I had to call the "sheep"…..my sister in law was not around…...
Nahh,
he's just another commercial abuser of the high traffic News Thread.

Not deserving of any respect,

and so,

non given....

Quoting milam
Today I went from yellow to orange... I was so exited…... I had to call the "sheep"…..my sister in law was not around…...
What about the pumpkin?
Quoting PipTrapper
What about the pumpkin?
there are not in season...
Since we don't have vouching system on ff - we have a descending quality of posting. Most new member are spaming the threads with nonsense and disturb the old user. forexfactory should limit posting per day for people who are new and only nonsense posting - nothing about trading and should establish a like or not like (facebook) of posts. If a poster get some likes he should be able to post more per day, if he get some ignore per day or dislikes - he should be suspended (or can't post) for some days. The new system should have a reputation score and trophies for analyses and quality of posts. I'm going to stop/reduse my posting in the next time, as most old 10+V has done since we have the new MIRS-system. It may be that I'm wrong with my view, but i see no reason to post more or good analyses on ff. The only one question is: Why should i post more or try to post anything about trading ???
I want to ignore this new "MIRS" system and i have deleted all my Buddies and Subscriptions. How is that possible ??

http://www.forexfactory.com/trung407923

This user posted 20 posts and is a high impact member????
FF does come very far!!
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