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    Iran has agreed to curb some of its nuclear activities in return for about $7bn (£4.3bn) in sanctions relief, after days of intense talks in Geneva. The deal will last for six months, while a permanent agreement is sought. US President Barack Obama welcomed the deal, saying it would "help prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon". Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said Iran's right to uranium enrichment had been recognised. Israel, however, said the agreement was a "historic mistake". World powers suspect Iran's nuclear programme is secretly aiming at developing a nuclear bomb - a charge Iran has consistently ... (full story)

Israel is right. Not only could it be a "historic mistake" to put trust in the Iranian's intentions, it is not even smart. For crying out loud, is it smart trading to give up billions on one side for an agreement to do nothing on the other side! Where can I go to enter into one of those contracts! I will gladly agree to do nothing in exchange for billions in benefits! Fools! The whole lot of them,....simply fools! It is irresponsible and outrageous, too, because it is not even their own money they are bartering with. They should have at least gotten something tangible out of the Iranians, like 1000 free gallons of gasoline every year for everyone else on the planet.
No Netanyahu is not "right" he's profoundly wrong and his ire is entirely due to Israel being (rightly) ignored in these negotiations, as a useful idiot they've now exhausted their relevance. They've been the obstacle to peace in the area for too long. Israel will not admit to its nuclear arsenal and is not part of the non proliferation treaty ignoring all IEA approaches. Iran has no nuclear weapons, has signed and abided by the treaty and allowed unfettered access to the IAE inspectors.

What we've witnessed over recent months is incredible acts of brave diplomacy by Russia, they've organised the Syria chems destruction and now this, Putin deserves the Nobel peace prize or Labrov. Moreover as we're now passed the tipping point of easily recoverable mineral deposits the USA realises that unless Iran 'shares' particularly its deposits with Russia in the Caspian, the oil price shocker could send the global economy into a deathly tailspin.


Quoting traderathome
Israel is right. Not only could it be a "historic mistake" to put trust in the Iranian's intentions, it is not even smart. For crying out loud, is it smart trading to give up billions on one side for an agreement to do nothing on the other side! Where can I go to enter into one of those contracts! I will gladly agree to do nothing in exchange for billions in benefits! Fools! The whole lot of them,....simply fools! It is irresponsible and outrageous, too, because it is not even their own money they are bartering with. They should have at...
I support none of them and think they are all wrong.
Therefore please tell me if this news is bearish for crude oil. Shall I short it aggressively at open ?
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this is win-win situation for USA.
the main aim for us is that prevent Iran from oil industry
and as you see oil is on the sanction.
the other benefit is that us is not forced by Israel to attack Iran (financial factor for us).
they have made Iranian leaders fools successfully
Hahahaha.

Quoting arash66110
this is win-win situation for USA.
the main aim for us is that prevent Iran from oil industry
and as you see oil is on the sanction.
the other benefit is that us is not forced by Israel to attack Iran (financial factor for us).
they have made Iranian leaders fools successfully
Fo those old enough to remember, IRAN signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty in 1970. After he took over, Ayatollah Khomeni promised tc continue honoring the Treaty.

But Iran has VIOLATED the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty ever since.
Obama fears any war with Iran. But he doesn't want Israel to attack Iran, either. That's why he is doing this, to interfere with Israel.
Meanwhile there is a $1 gap down in USA OIL from $94.75 to 93.75, pretty much negating the rise from 2 days ago. Just needs to break 93.25 for shorting.
Per the BBC: Here's what Iran will do"

What Iran will do
Halt enrichment of uranium above 5% purity
"Neutralise" its stockpile of near-20%-enriched uranium, either by diluting it to less than 5% or converting it to a form which cannot be further enriched
Not install any more centrifuges (the machines used to enrich uranium)
Leave half to three-quarters of centrifuges installed in Natanz and Fordo enrichment facilities inoperable
Not build any more enrichment facilities
Not increase its stockpile of 3.5% low-enriched uranium
Halt work on the construction of its heavy-water reactor at Arak, not attempt to produce plutonium there
Provide daily access to Natanz and Fordo sites to IAEA inspectors and access to other facilities, mines and mills
Provide "long-sought" information on the Arak reactor and other data """"

But where's the VERIFICATION? Where's the PROOF that Iran will do these things?

There isn't any.
Also Gold fell $6 at the Sunday Open and Silver has fallen 14 cents so far. Just need pullbacks to short these
Would you like to list the proof from the IAEA of Irans violations of the NPT? And I'm not talking hysterical USA sock puppets or Killary Clinton, or aipac, I'm after actual proof of serious non compliance which they've failed to rectify..


Quoting Brad6
Fo those old enough to remember, IRAN signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty in 1970. After he took over, Ayatollah Khomeni promised tc continue honoring the Treaty.

But Iran has VIOLATED the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty ever since.
Obama fears any war with Iran. But he doesn't want Israel to attack Iran, either. That's why he is doing this, to interfere with Israel.
Just made money on a $2 drop in Gold
US,Russia and Israel all have WOMD What gives them the right to say if some other country can't develop there own WOMD

Dame the Hippocrates

US has a lot to answer for still to this day http://www.yokwe.net/index.php?modul...splay&sid=3177
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http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/israelis-...t-saudi-bases/
FX Bunte
Should have followed my analysis, crude sharply down.
Now awaiting retracement

Quoting Muntu
I support none of them and think they are all wrong.
Therefore please tell me if this news is bearish for crude oil. Shall I short it aggressively at open ?
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wat all of u are not aware of is Iranians are the first winners, second Assad regime in syria, third their allies in the middleeast, and israel the first loser, because:

- Iranian-American deal is a first step for better opened relation between both countries, started by Iran new president.

- this deal involves other deals of reducing the US help for terrorists or wat they call rebels in syria. Before this deal had been agreed on, few weeks ago, the syrian army showed promising advance in many main cities that were under control of the terrorists, and it's matter of time for terrorists to run away to where they came from.

- Israel is the first loser because it had not been involved in any of this deal procedures, was watching like the whole world as an outsider. The deal needs time to be achieved and it keeps Iran right of peaceful nuclear activity.

- After Russia by its President Putin had showed big influence and cleverness when it created a deal with the US on destroying syria chemical weapons, when President Obama was struggling to find a solution in the congress.
Here Iran wins again at the right historic moment.

- This win will be seen gradually in the next few weeks.

- Proudly the US showed that israel lobby is not that powerful and it can sign historical agreements regardless of israel government pressures.

-President Obama proved that it's not time for more wars but peace in the middleeast, and that's most American people opinions, despite Obama lacked the quick decision, Russia and Iran were his backup and help which is a strange historical moment, never expected it to be.

-israel looking like a bird flying outside its zone.
When it and gulf countries want war, the whole world is asking for peace and neglecting terrorism especially when people's view worldwide changed 180 degrees after seeing what terrorists had been doing in syria from eating people hearts, kidneys, cutting heads, killing people just because they are from another religion and other bad barbarism acts never heard about in this era until the last 2 years.
----Israel, a country the size of Hong-Kong but that's who Obama has to report to and ask permission from. What a laugh
Iran will do

and Putin deserves Nobel prize

Laughter from the morning is really useful
If the Muslims lay down their arms there will be peace. If Israel lays down their arms there will be genocide.

Without verification it is totally reckless. That is true no matter what nation since ethics has completely disappeared from leadership. Add BHO's upbringing (Muslim father, stepfather, and surrogate father figure) and his Muslim style approach to governance and you have one tyrant - BHO - helping enable another - Iran.

To explain tyrannical style this from "How Civilizations Die" by David Goldman.

"Arab Muslim societies remain un-modern and un-democratic not just in their attitudes toward political authority and law but also in their social organizations. For men and women living within a universe where tribal duties, the duties and benefits of extended kinship networks, and conceptions of collective honor organize the relations of everyday life, democratic principles will be incomprehensible. And therefore democracy would be impossible. How could a modern democratic bureaucracy function, for example, if officials remain loyal primarily to tribe, faction, or family? The power of such ties preempts any ethic of disinterested public service. A government office becomes a means of benefitting your family and harming your enemies, not applying rules fairly."
Quoting Guest
- Iranian-American deal is a first step for better opened relation between both countries, started by Iran new president.

- Israel is the first loser because it had not been involved in any of this deal procedures, was watching like the whole world as an outsider. The deal needs time to be achieved and it keeps Iran right of peaceful nuclear activity.


- Proudly the US showed that israel lobby is not that powerful and it can sign historical agreements regardless of israel government pressures.


-israel looking like a bird flying outside...

GREAT Comment My MAN ...

If isreal lets , Iran and USA could be good friends and all small Persian gulf countries hate for that because all of that countries have grown by Iranian wealth .

Both people of USA and Iran have many near points which cause Isreal and little Persian Gulf countries angry for that .

Hope for peace all around the world .
Outstanding, you managed to deliver most of your preconceptions and outlandish prejudices in such a short space. Quite an achievement. No doubt the aipac swivel eyed loons and other bizarre Jewish cabals are doing their nut wrt to the brinkmanship they've been deliberately isolated from.

They've prevented peace in the area for far too long, it must come as a crushing blow that Obama has shown through actions that Israel is irrelevant, good that he's thrown them a few hollow words of comfort post event.

Israel is being marginalised and not before time, the next issue is reclaiming the land they've stolen. Unlucky, totally outmanoeuvred and out thought.

Quoting gat
If the Muslims lay down their arms there will be peace. If Israel lays down their arms there will be genocide.

Without verification it is totally reckless. That is true no matter what nation since ethics has completely disappeared from leadership. Add BHO's upbringing (Muslim father, stepfather, and surrogate father figure) and his Muslim style approach to governance and you have one tyrant - BHO - helping enable another - Iran.

To explain tyrannical style this from "How Civilizations Die" by David Goldman.

"Arab Muslim societies...
You may have missed out on the part were nations' representatives sat down to agree an accord without any reference or recourse to Israel. Some time after Obama and Putin call Netanyahoo and pat the little doggy on his head and throw him a small bone. Excellent work.

Quoting backinblackl
----Israel, a country the size of Hong-Kong but that's who Obama has to report to and ask permission from. What a laugh
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what do they need nuclear for??
- they have free oil!
Even the Saudi's are against the deal because they know Iran's leaders are not only non-trustworthy but insane.

The Arabs rejected Israel's offer returning 97% of the land taking it back to the indefensible 1947 borders. And they want peace? Every time the possibility is in sight they have increased attacks to squash it.

We all have our positions. Mine are supported by history.

Perhaps you have made assumptions regarding "How Civilizations Die" because the author has a Jewish name. I suggest you read the book. He is an American with a global perspective and his analysis is well supported. What the quote from the book says is shown true by centuries of Muslim societies.
Honestly you've got the debating skills of a small child, do you bother to re read your posts before hitting the post comment button?

Saudi Arabia is the most backward nation in the Middle East, their record on human rights and equality would make the Taliban blush. They and Qatar have been openly sponsoring terrorism in Syria by arming the various mercenary sects including Al Qaeda, a situation that is now totally out of control as is their and the west's intervention in Libya. Their hatred of Iran spans decades, you holding them up as a beacon of hope and justice is pitiful.

As for your references to iran's leaders being insane and not trustworthy that's nonsense, Iran has never acted aggressively towards its neighbours and only acted in self defence when the USA sponsored Sadam Hussein to wage war versus them. You might want to brush up on your history wrt the USA puppet, the Shah, being deposed and the revenge the USA inflicted.

As for your position being supported by history this must be a history book next to the book on creationism in the kids section of a USA library. Obama suggested in 2011 that Israel recede back to the 1967 Pre 6 day war borders, Israel rejected the plan out of hand as they're unwilling to rescind any of their illegal occupation land grab.

Quoting gat
Even the Saudi's are against the deal because they know Iran's leaders are not only non-trustworthy but insane.

The Arabs rejected Israel's offer returning 97% of the land taking it back to the indefensible 1947 borders. And they want peace? Every time the possibility is in sight they have increased attacks to squash it.

We all have our positions. Mine are supported by history.

Perhaps you have made assumptions regarding "How Civilizations Die" because the author has a Jewish name. I suggest you read the book. He is an American...
All of the Arab states are backward on equality and human rights. Do you not know Iran is also sponsoring Syria's terrorism? Do you not know the genesis of the various Islamic terrorist groups? (hint - Muslim Brotherhood)

I don't know where you see me holding any of the Arab states up as a "beacon of hope". They have their infighting based on family, tribe, etc. Iran being Persian is one facet of that. If you understood the quote from the book you would see that our involvement in those Arab states is all dubious to foolish. Libya and Egypt fall into the later. Afghanistan was warranted as an in and out operation. Iraq 1 was warranted for their invasion of Kuwait (remember them?) and the job should have finished instead of stopped, eliminating Iraq 2.

Yes BHO pushed for 1947 borders. When Israel essentially offered that, how many years earlier, they were taking a foolish risk and were fortunate, imo, that it was rejected. You might recall that the "land grabs" were after Arab invasions. You might ask why Arabs living in Israel like it there. They live better, have more human rights and equality than in their homelands. Those who stayed in their homes after the creation of Israel were smarter than the rest of Arabs who fled. The Palestinian's rejected statehood (UN resolution 182?) instead choosing to hate and make war, which is innate to their religion from almost the first year.
I knew this article would bring the Arab-Jews war here, although there are people who don't belong to neither camp.
What a mess! what a waste of energies, lives and time!
Hey, this is what happens when gods make double promises. Whose Holy Land is it really ? ...find out on the next installment of Preachers of L.A. All new on Oxygen.

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