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    The European Central Bank is considering a smaller-than-normal cut in the deposit rate if officials decide to take it negative for the first time, according to two people with knowledge of the debate. Policy makers would reduce the rate for commercial lenders who park excess cash at the ECB to minus 0.1 percent from zero, said the people who declined to be identified because the talks aren’t public. It would be the first time the central bank has adjusted interest rates by less than a quarter of a percentage point. The concept, which has been discussed by Governing Council members, doesn’t yet have a consensus, ... (full story)

that got the markets moving! lol!!!
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Oops.

Told you Europe cannot afford EUR above1.3500.
:-O
Ruined my GBP/USD profits
what's a news!!
could some one explain it a little more
Cheaters do cheat
Use me as a contrarian indicator
Market is once again missinterpret the ECB step, like rate cut, and like Praet's comments.

The truth is we are ALREADY early 90's style japanese deflation spiral and all of assets will drop 65-70%.

Gold shows the missed centralbank's policies, and the future way of assets.
never understimate the bears, however gold is rising
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euro got dumped on this, and if my theory is correct of a hawkish tone in the Minutes released later today...bye bye euro : )

A few self proclaimed "Europhiles" on here will not like what I believe is about to come, as I have said for some time now...the zone is a mess, US is improving. Taper on, USD rally on.


Let's see how we get on : )
Quoting kami123123
could some one explain it a little more
markets were churning. some central banker got bored and called his hedge fund country club mates and said - watch this! (oh yeah and get short the euro)...

:-)
W*nkers can't keep their mouths shut.
Yup desperadoes - they are doing everything and anything to push the Euro down but that is not how it works - the market Monsieur -------------------------> gets to pull the rabbit out of the hat what a laugh at a scandal
why wait until now?I'm damn fu*king pissed.
euro will go up again
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Thank you .. Finally, I got on the right side of the trade for once!
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manipulation, it's time to buy euro again
Quoting daniel3d
euro will go up again
i agree. at some point in the future the euro will go up again. for the exact time subscribe to my psychic forex service. :-)
Did this just pop the dollar?
When the facts change I change my mind, what do you do sir
Quoting mrbandwidth
Cheaters do cheat
Who's cheating?
When the facts change I change my mind, what do you do sir
This is the same thing the FED is doing. The FED is just a little more discreet about it.
Clear, wild, hard phase of currency war begins.
With a fragile lady on the floor..
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currency war
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Negative rate cut will boost Gold/Silver commodities.
Quoting Pip Anon
Did this just pop the dollar?
Combination of this and Bullard saying December taper is possible.
"A true speculator tries the market small." - Jesse Livermore
Quoting Jj1459
:-O
Ruined my GBP/USD profits
ruined my EUR/USD minus !
Quoting Loadedgun
Yup desperadoes - they are doing everything and anything to push the Euro down but that is not how it works - the market Monsieur -------------------------> gets to pull the rabbit out of the hat what a laugh at a scandal
if it return back to 1.35 then it will be really something dirty
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Silly rabbit tricks are for kids...lol a lot of people just got duked!
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Quoting Jgcole83
Combination of this and Bullard saying December taper is possible.

Only if the December job data is outstanding. Let's see.
Taper is not possible.

Stop thinking about, stop it......just stop it.

QE will be increased "dramatically" moving forward.
I'm short humanity, and long interplanetary travel. Forexkong.kom
I generally post the real time trades via Twitter.
I'm short humanity, and long interplanetary travel. Forexkong.kom
Quoting Forex Kong
Taper is not possible.

Stop thinking about, stop it......just stop it.

QE will be increased "dramatically" moving forward.

That's right, but too late....We're now, at this moument to ask the last question:
Which currency the most important by the side of credit?That's not Chf, Eur or anything else...That's the USD.
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Quoting Forex Kong
Taper is not possible.

Stop thinking about, stop it......just stop it.

QE will be increased "dramatically" moving forward.

Rubbish this. The metrics for the Taper are being justified as time goes on. I urge you to look beyond the biased hatred towards the US.

Cheap Fed money is only inflating equities as this point, and although the Fed haven't blatantly said there is an equity bubble (which would devastate investors), many Fed members have mentioned the idea of a Taper coming sooner than later is a cue to me, especially now that we are reading headlines of Dovish Members saying a Taper is possible.

let's see how we get on : ) everyone can have an opinion.
You'll have to take into consideration that "the move away from USD" has been on for some time now.

With China striking deal after deal to trade goods "outside the USD" it's really only a matter of time before USD takes a much larger hit.

Plus it's the Fed's sole aim, as to continue printing, so it can continue to lend to the U.S Governement and continue to profit.

The plain fact of the matter is -the entire planet sees the writing on the wall for the future of the U.S - and many countries are taking measures to protect themselves now.

The Fed is painted into a corner, and can't stop printing - only to have the "printing" lead to larger scale disaster.
I'm short humanity, and long interplanetary travel. Forexkong.kom
dont worry , uncle BEN coming tonight with his magic solution and eur will frat & as newtons 3rd law eur will fly
Quoting Forex Kong
Taper is not possible.

Stop thinking about, stop it......just stop it.

QE will be increased "dramatically" moving forward.
The first time anybody from the FOMC even hints at more QE the dollar will crash.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
Japan is set to hit the button again in April, and the ECB is now "chatting all it can" as to continue easing.

"Tapering" falls into the "contraction" camp - and makes absolutely no sense at all , considering that everyone else is set to "up the anty".

There is not a chance in a million years that the U.S will give up the race for the bottom full well knowing Japan can print forever.

Impossible.

Opinions are great....that's what these forums are for!
I'm short humanity, and long interplanetary travel. Forexkong.kom
That's the idea!

To crash the U.S Dollar - you don't see that?

The debt load diminished, bonds stay afloat etc........

The entire "premise" surrounding QE is to devalue currency and make exports more appealing.

That's the intent guys.........to reduce the U.S dollar as much as possible.
I'm short humanity, and long interplanetary travel. Forexkong.kom
I know that is the aim, it is just that the whole market is waiting for taper. The instant somebody even thinks out loud that more QE is on the cards that will catch the market off-guard. A bit like when the SNB suddenly said 1-CHF is worth 1.20-Euro.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
If I'm looking to start a new airline here in Mexico.....and need to buy 10 airplanes at an average cost of 350 million USD per plane....

Then I check out the exchange rate and realize I can buy equally "well made planes" from Airbus for a converted price of - 70 million dollars ( just a random example ) less

Where do you think I'm likely to shop / buy?

This is the root of currency devaluation, as "no country" WANTS a higher currency.

Kill the currency and encourge global "shoppers" to come and buy your products and services - as they "feel" they get a better deal via currency conversion.
I'm short humanity, and long interplanetary travel. Forexkong.kom
If, ifs and buts where candy's and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.
"A true speculator tries the market small." - Jesse Livermore
Retail traders will get caught no question - but then...that makes sense as the majority of them have ne real understanding of how this all works anyway.

If you're watching the media / headlines talking about taper.....that's about as "retail" as it gets.

Turn off your T.V - and see about improving your Forex skills.
I'm short humanity, and long interplanetary travel. Forexkong.kom
This was what happened before this news.

Euro dropped vs The Swedish Krona. But USD dropped vs Swedish Krona. And Euro went up vs USD.

I was not aware of this news. Then in less than a minute and after Euro dropped vs USD. And USD went up vs Swedish Krona. Swedish Krona traded in range vs Euro.
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Of course ECB will mini cut on top of the regular cut and in the end maybe do its own QE infinity. They have reached a point they must provide an ample reason for where they find all those loads of euros they sell at once.
Quoting Forex Kong
Retail traders will get caught no question - but then...that makes sense as the majority of them have ne real understanding of how this all works anyway.

If you're watching the media / headlines talking about taper.....that's about as "retail" as it gets.

Turn off your T.V - and see about improving your Forex skills.
100% true and that is why a country devalues its own currency to get more exports. good post (forex kong) keep sharing your knowledge and exp with us.
Just as i had thought...the ecb is still dovish....my short has been on for 48hours.
Thanks Kami - glad I can pass on some helpful tips.
I'm short humanity, and long interplanetary travel. Forexkong.kom
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Euro is still down till 1.33
its a currency war...and more than 1.35 hurts eurozone so i sugest sell more euro....and euro future for coming days are down enjoy the rally...kids
Quoting klm2020
if it return back to 1.35 then it will be really something dirty
Actually it is a healthy sign - by the market - because here is where we call their bluff (which is why I say news and events are fluctutuants - nothing to worry about if you have the cash) - on lift off from here we crossing over all the bridges they got until they deliver something concrete that truly makes it not worth our while to buy. So you watch the next episode in the slaughter of the ECB - and that is not part of the script written by the ECB --------------------------0000000----------------> Good Morning Nice One!

To really trade sir you got to ignore fundamentals or one day you will become toast: Good Morning again.
ECB and FEDS seems to be on a seasaw at the moment.
Next stop, Parity!
Want the lifestyle of the top traders in the world? TAKE RISK.
They are the two most widely held reserves on the planet - making trading EUR/USD a generally "uninteresting" pair.

Much larger and more fundamental based trades can be made when trading a safe haven currency "vs" a risk related currency.

Money flows back n fourth between EUR and USD on so many levels - the trading of EUR/USD offers very little compared to pair such as AUD/JPY for example.
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next stop babylon by bus. get ready for the fed. if u afraid, don't trade. I'm not afraid. the fed won't even put up a punch.
Is this coincident with FOMC statement?
Just a question, if everyone start easing then what would be the net effect?
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Quoting CoolJL
Just a question, if everyone start easing then what would be the net effect?
Then everyone will be at ease since really the point of easing is to make it as easy as possible to get along easily with everyone else ------------------------->

Now that is a fact (in the colloquial sense) however we know (in the colloquial sense) that people never get along very well for long ---------------------> so things fall apart and the center cannot hold ---------------------> mere anarchy is loosened upon the earth and therefore the need to track all currencies as chaotic variables (in the colloquial sense) what a laugh at a scandal
Quoting Loadedgun
Then everyone will be at ease since really the point of easing is to make it as easy as possible to get along easily with everyone else ------------------------->

I, somehow, don't think everyone will be at ease at any point in time, ever.
Quoting CoolJL
Just a question, if everyone start easing then what would be the net effect?
About what we have now, except that the ECB would join-in and shove up EZ stocks as the Euro declined; ....so probably all the other QE'ers would step up a gear. Which brings me back to where I started - about what we have now!
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
This should make for an interesting ECB press conference in Dec. I am expecting huge volatility movements when during Q&A session, when the reporters ask Draghi about the negative deposit rate.
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The ECB is finally seeing that the Euro has always been too high. The Euro would be perfectly comfortable between 1.10 and 1.25 - it would be better for EZ's economies as a whole and it would give the Euro room to breed in case the US pulls something to devalue the Dollar (which it's always doing since some years ago)... But the ECB (and specially Germany??) seems to think a good/balanced rate is around 1.30+ and then the US does its "game" and the Euro gets imediatly "too high" from one day to another.

If only this well-paid-economists-that-run-the-show could think...

Quoting CoolJL
Just a question, if everyone start easing then what would be the net effect?
The money will start to be recognized as the thing it really is but no one as been wanting to aknowledge: toilet paper!
Quoting Guest
The ECB is finally seeing that the Euro has always been too high. The Euro would be perfectly comfortable between 1.10 and 1.25 - it would be better for EZ's economies as a whole and it would give the Euro room to breed in case the US pulls something to devalue the Dollar (which it's always doing since some years ago)... But the ECB (and specially Germany??) seems to think a good/balanced rate is around 1.30+ and then the US does its "game" and the Euro gets imediatly "too high" from one day to another.

If only this well-paid-economists-that-run-the-show...
Good Morning ------------------------> But what is the thesis here?----------------------> That the ECB controls the rate? Or that they set the interest rate, supply etc and the market decides the rest? In your attempt to sound wise and rational "ECB is finally seeing...." "if only this well-paid-econonmists..." do you realize how silly you then come across ---------------------> I mean totally ignorant. So you think that all that is required is for the ECB to "see" and the well-paid-eocnomists to "think"? That is all? Well Good Morning again what a laugh

BTW: Please keep tracking a rising Euro until YOU start to see and start to think -----------------------------> No further comments.
The problem is _______-----------------------> you need to know more than the heuristics implied by the trite application in the Forex called fundamental "analysis?" (it is no analysis at all). Frankly it is only good for conversations about fluctuants in a trend (dinner type exchanges by male show offs around females ala mating calls) -->and therefore good for nothing not even day trades.

Now what a laugh (since the original idea was to track the long-run) -----------------> but clearly its ineptness as a discipline has left it where it started -------------------------------------------------------------> a useless article indeed what a laugh at a scandal.

BTW: You only sound intelligent with fundamentals when you are talking to yourself never when your are talking to others. a word is enough for the wise
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Following your advice mr loaded gun I'm still holding my longs since 13800 like you said, when can we expect a bullish trend to 14400 like you said? Thank you


Quoting Loadedgun
Good Morning ------------------------> But what is the thesis here?----------------------> That the ECB controls the rate? Or that they set the interest rate, supply etc and the market decides the rest? In your attempt to sound wise and rational "ECB is finally seeing...." "if only this well-paid-econonmists..." do you realize how silly you then come across ---------------------> I mean totally ignorant. So you think that all that is required is for the ECB to "see" and the well-paid-eocnomists to "think"? That is all? Well Good Morning again ...
ECB seems desperate to stop the strengthening of Euro. They are applying all policy changes to stop EURUSD from breaching 1.4000.Going by historical knowledge and past experience , no matter who say what ,we know that tapering is definitely not happening this December. Traders with long position need to be patient and manage your money and we will see 1.4000 by December end.
Leaders don't do different things, but they do the same things differently.
This is a very good sign for strong Euro. It proves that European Banks have much more depositors than creditors and hence they want to reduce their burden of overloaded vaults with no maintenance fee paid by depositors. Since depositors were still adamant of keeping money with banks even after 0% interest being paid they are now being discouraged with negative interest rates. People will now invest their money elsewhere instead of parking it with a European Bank. No matter what policy change is implemented , Euro will still go up.
Leaders don't do different things, but they do the same things differently.
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Quoting Guest
Following your advice mr loaded gun I'm still holding my longs since 13800 like you said, when can we expect a bullish trend to 14400 like you said? Thank you
Yes, I would like to know also.
I bought at 1.37 like he suggested and am really suffering.

In so much drawdown and stress
Quoting Guest
Following your advice mr loaded gun I'm still holding my longs since 13800 like you said, when can we expect a bullish trend to 14400 like you said? Thank you
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
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So do you think I should just stay with my long trade, nearly 400 pips down? Like mr Jaygee said "price always comes back"? Bit nervous here as mr loaded gun wasn't around for a while.


Quoting Spreadbetter
Don't you worry, Loaded Up has a plan, he's the ultimate graveyard Doji "given the responsibility by god of protecting the sacred holy grail with his disciples". Just follow his advice and you can't go wrong...
Quoting 111ForexGuru
This is a very good sign for strong Euro. It proves that European Banks have much more depositors than creditors and hence they want to reduce their burden of overloaded vaults with no maintenance fee paid by depositors. Since depositors were still adamant of keeping money with banks even after 0% interest being paid they are now being discouraged with negative interest rates. People will now invest their money elsewhere instead of parking it with a European Bank. No matter what policy change is implemented , Euro will still go up.
Tell them bro ---------------------------> with kind regards and as I have been saying it is the market that gets to pull the rabbit out of the hat
Ya think? Let's know how that works out for you.


Quoting 111ForexGuru
This is a very good sign for strong Euro. It proves that European Banks have much more depositors than creditors and hence they want to reduce their burden of overloaded vaults with no maintenance fee paid by depositors. Since depositors were still adamant of keeping money with banks even after 0% interest being paid they are now being discouraged with negative interest rates. People will now invest their money elsewhere instead of parking it with a European Bank. No matter what policy change is implemented , Euro will still go up.
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
It's so amusing to read such bold statements from the inexperienced backed up by no other explanation other than misplaced beliefs. None of us can predict (with any degree of certainty) what price will do next, the best we can do is follow price. The quicker you accept that the sooner you'll become profitable. Screeching out that "we'll see 1.4000 before the year is out" is ridiculous, the finest traders supported by the best quants using real state of the art platforms in a real market can't make those calls.

The fact that your bizarre claims are supported by the forum troll speaks volumes, whether a sock puppet or delusional you're still talking rubbish.

Quoting 111ForexGuru
They are applying all policy changes to stop EURUSD from breaching 1.4000. Going by historical knowledge and past experience, no matter who say what, we know that traders with long position need to be patient and manage your money and we will see 1.4000 by December end.
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
Quoting Guest

I think he means this trading advice from you mr Loaded Gun as price retraced from 1.3831
hahaaha ---------------------> nice try but quote the thread directly so others can visit and I will slaughter you completely in a sec.
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Quoting Loadedgun
hahaaha ---------------------> nice try but quote the thread directly so others can visit and I will slaughter you completely in a sec.
Hi Loaded Gun, I apologise, here it is the thread.

http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=455009#post7061205


You did have a 200 pip stop as per post #1, so my bad, I must have missed that portion of your trade call.

I did notice in post #36 that you seriously doubted by your modelling that we would reach as low as 1.3372 and this gave me hope, so I held the trade.

Again, my mistake as I should probably just learn to follow my own trading ideas.

The very short daily candles at the fib number were hints of a fall in the Euro, but I trusted your confidence and near certainty of it going up and I got confused.
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Quoting Spreadbetter
Hope you didn't pay him for that advice, he's the most clueless trader out of FF's hundreds of thousands of registered users, some claim to fame eh? The only troll and the most useless trader on the globe's biggest trading forum.
If it goes to 1.44, I will trust him but it seems very hard right now.
The market does not look like it will go there and just keeps going down
Quoting Guest
Hi Loaded Gun, I apologise, here it is the thread.

http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...09#post7061205


Again, my mistake as I should probably just learn to follow my own trading ideas.

The very short daily candles at the fib number were hints of a fall in the Euro, but I trusted your confidence and near certainty of it going up and I got confused.
Well this is what the context is ---------------------> http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=453370#post7037627 as you can see your mistakes were more profound than you thought. And as you might note from this a) we got to target number 1 and b) we will get to target number 2 (1.40/1.44). Please read and indicate any further objections you might have? what a mutt

BTW:Some of this has to do with the fact a) that I expect everyone using my calls to use first and foremost their trading judgement and as it relates to their trading styles and risk tolerances b) chaos deals in dynamics and it is always tough to communicate with traders who are rooted in the trite disciplines ---------> hence some of your confusion. Take the final number and work out by yourself how you want to get there. That is the way of doji's --------------> but of course am I the Darkdoji or what?
Quoting Guest
If it goes to 1.44, I will trust him but it seems very hard right now.
The market does not look like it will go there and just keeps going down
< soto voce > It is your money, make your own calls.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
How does one rationalize holding a trade that's 400+ points in the negative? I mean, even if my long-term objective was, oh, let's say 1.44 - I'd rather get stopped out of multiple attempts to buy than sit on a giant loss. Heck, you could have bought:

1.37 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -75 points)
1.36 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -150 points)
1.35 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -225 points)
1.34 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -300 points)
1.33 with a 75 point stop.. (would be up 155 points right now: -145 points[net])

and STILL not be doing as poorly. That's doing no analysis whatsoever, just buying major handles as the price falls with an objective of 1.44.

No wonder this stuff is so hard for people..
It's impossible to rationalise with an unhinged mentality. He's in a world of his own but his credibility is that low now that he's regarded as a laughing stock. So mission accomplished, no matter how long he lurks or how many times he stinks the place out he'll be ridiculed.

Quoting Bilstein
How does one rationalize holding a trade that's 400+ points in the negative? I mean, even if my long-term objective was, oh, let's say 1.44 - I'd rather get stopped out of multiple attempts to buy than sit on a giant loss. Heck, you could have bought:

1.37 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -75 points)
1.36 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -150 points)
1.35 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -225 points)
1.34 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -300 points)
1.33 with a 75 point stop.....
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
Heck, to further illustrate my point, here's an update:

1.37 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -75 points)
1.36 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -150 points)
1.35 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -225 points)
1.34 with a 75 point stop.. (would have been stopped: -300 points)
1.33 with a 75 point stop.. (would be up 215 points right now: -83 points[net])

In contrast, if a trader bought at 1.38 (for argument's sake) and still holding it, he or she'd be down 279 points (roughly). I get the fact that it's an "unrealized" loss. But even compared to the above scenario, the "unrealized" loss of the entire "1.44 objective" is still only -83(roughly) points. Just buying major handles, no real thought behind it, lol.

I mean, I'm not going to knock a 1.44 objective. If that's where a trader thinks the price is going than so be it. But that doesn't justify holding on to such a massive loss. There's no flexibility with it. The trader is stuck with it. At what point is the trader willing to say "enough is enough" and accept the loss. Heck, consider the positive outcome:

Price makes it's way to 1.44 in an overwhelming recovery.

a) By going long at 1.38 and praying for price to come up, the trader made: 600 points.
b) By going long at 1.33 with the same objective, made: 1,100 points, discounting the 300 points lost in the multiple attempts: 800 points net.

STILL better results.

Sorry Spread, I couldn't help it. If there's anything I learned doing this stuff it's that prayer belongs in church, not in trading.
Quoting Spreadbetter
Hope you didn't pay him for that advice, he's the most clueless trader out of FF's hundreds of thousands of registered users, some claim to fame eh? The only troll and the most useless trader on the globe's biggest trading forum. {quote}
Success is not proved by words alone. Success and profits should be proved with actual numbers and data to back up claims.
The opinion of many supposedly old and very experienced, successful and profitable traders (their words) here who claim to be experts on currency movement labelled me as being clueless and also I might be a paid blogger of THE GREAT EXPERT LG .
I know LG via FF after I started commenting. Its just been about a week.

Check post #2
http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=458444

Today we have reached the first target of GBPUSD 1.6300 as I had suggested.

My trading skills are far more superior to my debating skills.
Let the newbies decide who knows more about forex after verifying data rather than trying to prove it just by our own words.
Leaders don't do different things, but they do the same things differently.
Quoting enochben
markets were churning. some central banker got bored and called his hedge fund country club mates and said - watch this! (oh yeah and get short the euro)...

:-)
thank you
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