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  • Boehner: No ‘Clean’ Votes on Reopening Government or Debt Ceiling Without Negotiations with President Obama

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    House Speaker John Boehner on Sunday flatly refused to schedule votes for full government funding or to raise the debt ceiling without concessions from Democrats, asserting that the House couldn’t and shouldn’t take either step without addressing problems with the new health care law and the nation’s debt crisis. In an exclusive interview on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” Boehner said he does not know how and when the current standoffs will end. But he made clear that, in his view, President Obama and Democrats in Congress are to blame for both the government shutdown and the possibility ... (full story)

Everyone in Congress should be fired and new elections should be held before the default deadline. They are playing "chicken" with the world's economy at stake.
What is wrong with these people.. they held their own economy as hostage and they are getting paid for that?
This is as good a time as any to correct the budget deficit! Stop the borrowing! Live within your means! Whatever cliché you want to use, real patriot Americans do not borrow more than they can afford to pay! It's time to stop borrowing, period! Go Boehner.
Forever learning....
Republicans have put paid to any chance of a future Republican President for the next 8 years! How callous and insensitive to public's view's these elite power crazy men in suit are!
Quoting backinblackl
Everyone in Congress should be fired and new elections should be held before the default deadline. They are playing "chicken" with the world's economy at stake.
All of them should be fired. That includes our so called "leader"! The one who was supposed to break the partisan logjam a long time ago, remember those speeches? But somehow these turds get reelected. Go figure.
BRING IT ON...let the game begins--OBAMACARE, NO RE-OPENING or not a cent for government workers! I am beginning to like the REPUBLICANS...lol!
There is always a price for promises you don't keep!
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The 2014 House's Budget Proposal has a deficit of 528 billion, the Senate's is at 693 Billion, and the President's is at 744 Billion. To cover the 2014 budget the debt ceiling will need to increase to somewhere between 18 and 18.2T. All of this was entirely foreseeable when the Bush Tax Cuts were extended permanently at the beginning of the year for all but the top 2% of taxpayers with broad support from Senate ( 89-8 ) and House ( 257 - 167). Since Obamacare is suppose to be deficit neutral and attempting to change it now will fail in the Senate or be Vetoed by the President, the Congress should be focusing on coming to agreement on the not insignificant differences between the Budget Resolutions. This process has been delayed at least 4 months longer than necessary by failing to have a conference report in May and moving appropriations bills through the House and Senate. Hence, a CR (be it clean, dirty or whitewashed) is necessary to continue government operations, as is raising the debt ceiling to at least 18 Trillion, no matter what is finally agreed to in the long delayed budget. If the drama can be stopped, it sounds like the problem can be solved by a measly 528 - 744 Billion Dollars more on Uncle Sam's credit card. Fortunately the card has a very attractive initial interest rate if the validity of the national debt is not called into question, but, like our own, could easily go to 30% if we miss a payment, as the world's oldest democrazy found out. I'm sure the top 2% will be happy to pick up the shortfall if that happens, and will be conveying this to their friends in Congress before the 17th.
Quoting hosemaster
This is as good a time as any to correct the budget deficit! Stop the borrowing! Live within your means! Whatever cliché you want to use, real patriot Americans do not borrow more than they can afford to pay! It's time to stop borrowing, period! Go Boehner.
That's right.
Stop support lazy people.
Keep going on Boehner, two thumbs up for you.
hell yeah,,
Quoting backinblackl
Everyone in Congress should be fired and new elections should be held before the default deadline. They are playing "chicken" with the world's economy at stake.

playing chicken or playing the wolf trick...the world should find a new leader and leave USA alone...USA is now a wounded warrior who is nurturing and licking his wounds..can't lead at this time...Uncle Sam is in coma with his Doctors engaging in real fight among themselves....
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I hope they will let the USA make default and let the world come back to a healthy gold standard. Fingers crossed ! Wait the 17th with impatience !
Right. I agree with Boehner here. And the claims that Congress is at at fault here are wrong. Obama is the leader here, but he REFUSES to Lead.

If he continues to oppose any cts in spending for either the health care law or he refuses to reduce any government spending at all, then the Debt Limit MUST be enforced. Why is it called a "Debt Limit" if the Limit is never enforced to rein in excessive spending?

Also there still is income taxes being collected. These can be used to pay theinterest on the debt, so the government doesn't default. Obama and his Treasury Secretary acob Lew already know that.
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I don't think there is any real debate as to who is at fault. Shutting down the government and threatening default on the debt has been the plan all along. They have already shot one hostage, the question is whether they will take out the other?

From 4/18/2013
"Boehner defends delay in budget conference."

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/294759-pelosi-demands-boehner-convene-budget-conference
The real blame here doesn't lie with any democrat or republican members. The real culprit is america's archaic system of federal republicanism.

If you sack every senator, every congressman and start from scratch, the whole charade simply begins again - the US notion of a bicameral legislature, grounded firmly in 18th century politics and demographics, simply does not work in todays world. The constitution is ridiculously outdated. The senate does not work. Congress does not work. Even if they did, they cannot work together to achieve even the most mundane tasks expected of modern governments.

The only way the USA can continue to lead the free world through the 21st century and beyond is to dump its primitive, inherently corrupt and inefficient system and adopt a modern parliamentary government.

Of course this wont happen, because change requires people to vote their jobs out of existence - and under a modern, open system of government 95% of US politicians would instantly become criminals.
si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
US needs political reform, citizens should be given a chance to vote the whole house out of office; this shutdown amounts to treason against the survival of USA. The law should be changed so that any point in time; citizens will cast their vote to remove the full House from office if the House is deemed as dysfunctional, at least 70% of nay votes by citizens should be enough to remove the full House from the office.

What do you think? US military should be ready to take over the Congress to return sanity into the country....the work of the military is to protect the security of the country and in the situation whereby the security of the country is put into jeopardy by lawmakers, US military or Supreme Courts should step in to remove the perpetrators from the office...actually I opt for 70% citizenry power votes than the Military..
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Everyone wants to blame the house of Representatives, but seem to forget we get into this position far too often, what about the President and the Senate? They just want us to go deeper in the hole. How much more debt can the nation carry before we are forced to declare bankruptcy? It is a strange world, the US says we won't pay our debts unless you loan us more which sinks us further. The further you kick the can down the road the bigger it grows. If the interest rate were to be around 5% which is normal our interest payments now would consume the entire 1.7 annual budget.

We have the chance to vote out the house every two years. Giving the military the power would mean setting the President up as the dictator, there is a thought that will keep you from sleeping at night!

For those of you who argue the US should set up a "modern" Parliamentary system I would like to point out two things, first a Parliamentary form of government does not have the checks and balances the US system has and second, the Parliamentary system often leads to minority governments that usually result in a government that can't function.

No, the system is working as it was designed and the time has come, actually it is past time, for the USA to get its financial house in order.

Puritan
Quoting Puritan
Everyone wants to blame the house of Representatives, but seem to forget we get into this position far too often, what about the President and the Senate? They just want us to go deeper in the hole. How much more debt can the nation carry before we are forced to declare bankruptcy? It is a strange world, the US says we won't pay our debts unless you loan us more which sinks us further. The further you kick the can down the road the bigger it grows. If the interest rate were to be around 5% which is normal our interest payments now would consume...
Your point is well-understood but why is it always has to be government shutdown under Democrats? When ex-Prez Bush was in power he had to work with Democrats to get some jobs done, many of his plans were opposed by his own party (in Congress); something is wrong here!! Republican Congressional leaders are acting like loose cannon balls...its time to say enough is enough...
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Perhaps it is because the Democrats are the ones who seem to have the largest spending plans and the littlest regards for a balanced budget. Too be sure, it hasn't always been this way. The one period of time in our history, under Andrew Jackson (the first democrat) the US government had a surplus, with out income taxes. With the notable exception of President Clinton, the Democrats since FDR have been the ones who have come up with these huge programs that are a major cause in our out of control spending programs.

I am curious, do you want the Republicans to simply sit down, shut up and keep spending ourselves into oblivion? Where does it all finally stop? When we are totally bankrupt? Then what?
Quoting DragonFire
When ex-Prez Bush was in power he had to work with Democrats to get some jobs done, many of his plans were opposed by his own party (in Congress); something is wrong here!!
You're absolutely right. He did work with Dems to get business done, as did Clinton with Reps. Clinton did it pretty well. This president, however, has been making "demands" since his first term. He is not a leader, a negotiator if you will. It's mostly been his way or no way. He doesn't know how to talk to people like a business man would, and when it doesn't work out, he plays the "blame game". He's narrow minded. He was the "chosen one" to break all that in his first term, too. Sadly, that never happened.
Quoting Hoops McCann
You're absolutely right. He did work with Dems to get business done, as did Clinton with Reps. Clinton did it pretty well. This president, however, has been making "demands" since his first term. He is not a leader, a negotiator if you will. It's mostly been his way or no way. He doesn't know how to talk to people like a business man would, and when it doesn't work out, he plays the "blame game". He's narrow minded. He was the "chosen one" to break all that in his first term, too. Sadly, that never happened.
Obamacare has already been negotiated for and Republicans decided to double down on it. It is the law in US, it has been upheld by the Supreme Court and Americans voted in Obama, not Romney. Republicans are trying to extort the guy because in the past he has conceded too much ground to them, they see him weak.


You guys should stop watching Fox News because it's rotting your brain away.
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