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    USD-index tumbles in recent trade falling 0.45% lower, lifting other major FX pairs although no fundamental news being attributed to the moves and price action exasperated by thin volumes

Did it died?
I found a penny today. That's +100 pips for me.
Thanks for signaling the obvious. Any reason?
Use me as a contrarian indicator
Good to be in the correct position!!
what is happening ?
Because tappering won't happen in September. haha

Europe is on holiday, the US traders are free to manipulate the markets without their interference.
Manipulation.
OMG, WTF, crazy day today, Sorros buy gold, sold dollar
Definitely manipulated one!. Europe on holiday gives US freedom to move!
"I made money every time you place your Stop loss too close to ME"
Quoting PA is King
Because tappering won't happen in September. haha

Europe is on holiday, the US traders are free to manipulate the markets without their interference.
Traders cannot move the market even a bit. Big banks (i.e robots) move it.
When this shit AUD will fly. Every chart looks crazy except AUD/USD
Simple reason enough is that all crowds - retailers, corporations, small financial institutions are loaded with long positions on USD - so it was time the big fishes to collect.
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erm...what european holiday? no one told me, i've been going to work- damn!
man I'm glad my technical charting showed me that was coming...phew
what the fuckin happen , why the chart's fly , there no fundamental i see ....
Quoting michaelpelly
Simple reason enough is that all crowds - retailers, corporations, small financial institutions are loaded with long positions on USD - so it was time the big fishes to collect.
Exactly. Forex is a zero sum game. To make money, big boys have to take all the money away from guys like us. And such sudden moves are best for this purpose. Robots are being used for that.
Quoting Forexgain
When this shit AUD will fly
When you will be short.
Use me as a contrarian indicator
Quoting chodd22
man I'm glad my technical charting showed me that was coming...phew
Please post that chart. I have to learn something from technical.
gold up 4000pips
who are the big boys?
"price action exasperated by thin volumes"
This is bullshit.
There are over 12000 contracts in one minute.
Me thinks the abandoning of the dollar has just begun.
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donno about gold, Soros shorting S&P

George Soros going hot for Apple and dumping on gold in the second quarter. However, there’s something else in those numbers that should make investors sit up a little.

Possibly buried amid the Apple excitement is the fact that Soros Fund Management’s biggest position is a put on the S&P 500 ETF /quotes/zigman/714403 /quotes/nls/spy SPY -1.34%. Soros bought a put on 1,248,643 SPY units in the quarter.


http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/08/15/soross-biggest-holding-a-bearish-call-on-the-sp-500/
Quoting Arav007
Please post that chart. I have to learn something from technical.
exemple

http://www.mql5.com/en/charts/645345/usdjpy-h4-trading-point-of
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I guess market is talking the impact from the yesterdays europe release after mix data from US
congrats if you were long...
Quoting Indrek
Traders cannot move the market even a bit. Big banks (i.e robots) move it.

Sorry, let me be more specific...US BIG BANKS(AKA US traders)!
time to short all traders ... hunt pips all will fall down again big
Forex
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Fundamentals was, is and will always be nonsense.
And what's that about "thin volumes"?
Like if there were more players would put a leash on price?
Like we've ever seen 100+ pips moves on EU/GU or $50 on XAU in thinner Asia volumes?

Sorry guys but it seems someone ate all the meatballs and we're left with an empty taper for September's picnic/walk in the park...
Quoting Arav007
Please post that chart. I have to learn something from technical.
IT was a joke mate...point being technical trading only kicks my ass regularly...especially when theres no insight as to what the hell the Fundi was here.

This is where MONEY MANAGEMENT is crucial...buy stops and sell stops save the day
Quoting chodd22
man I'm glad my technical charting showed me that was coming...phew
show me what technical analysis ,what strategy ,what system show you so called one just one suck /k* candle comming .....told you ..lol
Say something meaningful or Silence!!
usd/chf is not smiling at all..............................lmao
Europe in holiday & that's the reason for manipulation???? Manipulation is something that it's happening in front of our faces everyday and 99.9% of the times it come from Big Fuckers taking a holi-day in a beach somewhere... For 2 days in a row a couple of days ago the news "Bank of America taking a short(with numbers & everything) and the next day another bank(supposedly) When a bank tell the world the position they are taking?
Well, we have to adapt and play the game... I went from sitting in trades for hour and even days to now jump on them for few hours and some times minutes...
much ado about nothing...I'm curious in what consists this "nothing"
Time to Buy AUD. Good luck all. it's gambling.
Sudden spikes, I always welcome. better than tideous boring move.
May be Osama Bin Laden is back ... ha ha ha
I don't see any other reason for this
Quoting thelittleone
who are the big boys?
Big banks and financial insitutions. I think, they make around 80% of turnover in forex using robots that have been programmed to read the news, SSI reports etc etc.
For the technical, just look at the low from the week "before" last week (1.31927). That was the low that needed to be taken out. Todays sell off was a bear trap. It made a higher low and is now back to this weeks open.
Charts are limited in nature. What is the relative location?
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crazy day... next move.. usd/jpy 109... (when Mr. Abe comment)
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but the next possible move is usd/jpy 98.1........4 Bln option expire near the level...
Quoting bmac
For the technical, just look at the low from the week "before" last week (1.31927). That was the low that needed to be taken out. Todays sell off was a bear trap. It made a higher low and is now back to this weeks open.
Best way to understand the market is to read the highs and lows properly!
tapering might not take place in september...if you listened to the fed, they are looking for clear reasons not mixed data. A think some big boys realised that en bought tha $...
Quoting Forex-Queen
Time to Buy AUD. Good luck all. it's gambling.
Sudden spikes, I always welcome. better than tideous boring move.
you serious?:-D better stay away then buy aud)
Do not forget that cheaper dollar is good for US. So...
Quoting thelittleone
who are the big boys?
http://forex1.ucoz.com/index/top_10_currency_traders/0-11
Quoting privatefr
Good to be in the correct position!!
Yes it is!

So many sheep were herded over the cliff today.
This is robot trading once price started to move robots kick in
All trends begin with the smallest time frame
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its a stop grabber according to my charts
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  • Edited Aug 16, 2013 12:22am Aug 15, 2013 2:15pm | Edited Aug 16, 2013 12:22am
Time ago the correct position was short e / u
Now some say that the correct position is long e / u.
I think it's too early to enjoy, guys
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United States, Economic Data is FALSE.....Maybe the lies are coming to LIGHT....!

Unemployment Data....False, no longer counted if unemployment benefits run out, no longer counted after a year of unemployment, even though you are still unemployed.
Not counted because you were never approved for benefits to begin with.

An Example: create 192,000 jobs in a given month, yet each week the first time unemployment claims are are 300,000 plus, and that's not even counting the exiting unemployed.....

NAHB Housing Market Index......Numbers......Surveys are a joke, like talking to a used car salesman....Pie in the sky.....!

Consumer Confidence .....what 5,000 morons did they ask, or of course doctor the numbers....everything is great....just fine....!
Hah, my simple observations are that when traders followed the crowds and get burned the opinions like "hahahha, crazy market, it is all due to robots and hft, data is manipulated, no way things are better" start to pop-up.
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  • Edited Aug 16, 2013 12:23am Aug 15, 2013 3:04pm | Edited Aug 16, 2013 12:23am
Quoting johnel
Time ago the correct position was short e / u
Now some say that the correct position is long e / u.
I think it's too early to enjoy, guys
Money is made by discounting the obvious and betting on the unexpected. G. Soros
USD's sorrow EUR's gain.....
There is always a price for promises you don't keep!
Quoting Indrek
Exactly. Forex is a zero sum game. To make money, big boys have to take all the money away from guys like us. And such sudden moves are best for this purpose. Robots are being used for that.
hahaha you new in forex right?
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Bundestag demanded bringing total gold reserves from the U.S. to Germany
Quoting Indrek
Exactly. Forex is a zero sum game. To make money, big boys have to take all the money away from guys like us. And such sudden moves are best for this purpose. Robots are being used for that.


All of us put together wouldn't even be enough for them to care.
Quoting Foxikus
hahaha you new in forex right?
We were all new once. right?
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"price action exasperated"!!!! It's the traders that are exasperated! All part of the game; if markets were predictable then nobody would lose money and without losers you can't have winners. Put away your technical analysis. Put away your fundamental analysis. Think like a bookmaker. Vive la contrarion!

(I think the word the author was looking for was "exacerbated".)
what the fu..!
good us job data,everyone expected rise.everyone gets on the boat.all other data was down.cant have jobs without other good figures
majority of people short euro and gbp in an uptrend with all figures good from these 2 at the moment gives the euro and gbp more strength.
question is will the us index drop down to the 7.86 retracement .
meaning the others have more upside
I was just like u, we missed the sail as we were fast aslept at that hours?? Hahaha...
Quoting yaphets
what the fu..!
Quoting Arav007
Please post that chart. I have to learn something from technical.
It will indeed be useful to all to know about this chart.
very impressive, this news push price to 1.3362
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The only chart that gave me a hint that USD is going down is on U/J Weekly. I use moving averages that gave a sign that U/J is on a down trend for the next few weeks. If it plays out well, Sept will not have tapering. At least this is what my technical analysis says.
Quoting michaelpelly
Hah, my simple observations are that when traders followed the crowds and get burned the opinions like "hahahha, crazy market, it is all due to robots and hft, data is manipulated, no way things are better" start to pop-up.

Its funny! Just a few days back everyone was crying foul of the chinese data manipulation! Its just funny.

Methinks right. all data are manipulated from everyone of them central banks.
I won't be surprised thinking about what will follow next..
Quoting bmac
For the technical, just look at the low from the week "before" last week (1.31927). That was the low that needed to be taken out. Todays sell off was a bear trap. It made a higher low and is now back to this weeks open.
Actually, big banks about 6 of them, control price direction in short, medium and long term. They have limits set for them as to how far they can move per day, week, month, quarter and year. for each pair. Some of these banks on the interbank are even backstopped by privately held central banks. I believe, haven't been told, that the bank of international settlements is the entity that sets the limits. They have thousands of desk traders with large amounts of capital to move the market where these interbank heavies will make money. If youre alot smarter and more intuitive than me, You might be able to discern how the traders communicate with each other. I was not and couldn't see it until it was explained. For absolutely certain, this market is rigged. Learn how the dealers communicate and You've got it sacked. They change the look of what they do all the time to disguise, but the main action is very repeatable. It makes the banks money. The names of the banks are very much like the names of the bullion banks. They run the metals markets just like currency. Same plan, same players. Also backstopped by central banks. We are up against the heavies.
Quoting wlarimer
We are up against the heavies.
Not always
Sometimes we get lucky...
Wide stop losses beyond structure kept me in the game. This is an opportunity to buy the dips. As traders we have to react to what the market throws at us. Dollar will come back, the Fed will see to that. You have to survive to thrive in this game!
What I don't get is that tapering or rumours of tapering leads to higher rates and therefore a stronger dollar but the dollar fell! Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
eventually the usd will go up, however at the moment it seems smart moneys wanna see usd at a certain low, whilst we all are long the usd, and just when we switch our usd long to shorts, bam, the usd gets stronger and we lose again. but eventually the usd will gain, when? u and i do not know.
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still no confirmed explanation for euro and gold shooting up while S&P tanked? that's three markets, not only forex. I can't believe thin summer volumes caused this, there is a place called the southern hemisphere. USD and S&P tanking at the same time - totally weird. my guess is that someone big, I mean real big (like maybe even a country), moved big money out of US stocks to offshore, thereby selling USD. gold shot up on safe haven buying and falling dollar. most likely reason: mister tapir coming soon!
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coincidence?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-16/chinese-stocks-flash-smash-6-exchange-says-operations-normal
Quoting wlarimer
We are up against the heavies.
That sounds about right, I guess. But that's the opportunity. When the heavies decide to move one way or the other in a significant way, they can not hide it. Last month the eurusd etc. made a huge footprint off of a low. It was the largest weekly move since November 2011. Focusing too much on fundamentals will get you trading "funny" if you choose to ignore the only empirical evidence we have to work with...the charts. I've had 1.3450 targeted since last months low and today I was buying the sell off adding to my long position.
Charts are limited in nature. What is the relative location?
This wild move up e/u, put fear in shorter's bones.
Is, probably, what those heavies want.
I would not rush to go long.
simongraytrader said it correct - wide S/L and small positions is the way to profit. I could add - avoid to buy high and sell low - but seems 90% of people do exactly that mistake. The reason to avoid is very simple - when you buy low - your profits will be great and your losses will be potentially smaller - currency already moved down. When you miss the buy opportunity - just wait - there is no point in loosing money because "hey, if it goes to the sky?!". Currencies are not stocks - more factors come into play in extreme movements.
He couldn't be more wrong other than if he set out to deliberately fail.

Quoting michaelpelly
simongraytrader said it correct - wide S/L and small positions is the way to profit.
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
Maybe, spreadbetter, but I definitely agree with the viewpoint to avoid what crowds are up to - or if it not clear, to wait a bit.
Be smart - trade price-action! Don't trade during major announcements and use appropriate leverage for your trading account size. Being a successful fx trader is not that hard, you just need to be consistent. Ignore intermarket technical in the current environment too many differing central bank policies so capital flows are chaotic.
I am just riding the storm out. I planned my trade, set stops and targets and now the market will decide. Blowing one way then the other is ok for the intraday guys but as a swing trader I have to be patient. I agree the USD will strengthen but until then stay calm!
[quote=Spreadbetter;6898088]He couldn't be more wrong other than if he set out to deliberately fail.

Quoting michaelpelly
simongraytrader said it correct - wide S/L and small positions is the way to profit/[quote]

I do the exact same thing. I started a small account with a total of $594 in deposits in march of 2012 and have made $525.07 in profits. That is 88% gain in a year and a half.

I don't keep a trading journal, but if I had to guess I would say my p/l ratio is somewhere in the 90% area.

If you see that as a recipe for failure you must be smoking some strong stuff
Forex is a volatile market so so you need wider stops or you risk getting shaken out of ultimately profitable positions. Trading the position size appropriate to your account size is essential. Everyone wants the huge win but guess what...it's often followed by an even bigger loss. Grinding out small profits everyday is what counts and only then increase position size.
Wide stops small positions are guaranteed to eventually fail if you're running a systematic non discretionary method. And please, don't even refer to pocket money trading accounts as trading. You've made $525 dollars in 16 months, whoopee fukcin doo...my youngest has made four times that doing a paper round


[quote=Hot4Pips;6899633][quote=Spreadbetter;6898088]He couldn't be more wrong other than if he set out to deliberately fail.

Quoting michaelpelly
simongraytrader said it correct - wide S/L and small positions is the way to profit/
Quote

I do the exact same thing. I started a small account with a total of $594 in deposits in march of 2012 and have made $525.07 in profits. That is 88% gain in a year and a half.

I don't keep a trading journal, but if I had to guess I would say my p/l ratio is somewhere in the 90% area.

If you see that as a recipe for failure...
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
Yup, good job. keep it up. only thing i would add is keeping your trade size at a small % of account balance. Don't listen to the naysayer. Once your acct is large enough, you can begin to take on larger trades.

Quoting michaelpelly
simongraytrader said it correct - wide S/L and small positions is the way to profit/
Quote

I do the exact same thing. I started a small account with a total of $594 in deposits in march of 2012 and have made $525.07 in profits. That is 88% gain in a year and a half.

I don't keep a trading journal, but if I had to guess I would say my p/l ratio is somewhere in the 90% area.

If you see that as a recipe for failure...
Clueless, and shockingly bad advice, its one in a million that'll turn pennies into serious money, most never survive the first emotional test when their living depends on it. Is that where you trade too, pocket money account? Yeah, it all makes sense now, blurt...

Quoting jaygee
Yup, good job. keep it up. only thing i would add is keeping your trade size at a small % of account balance. Don't listen to the naysayer. Once your acct is large enough, you can begin to take on larger trades.

Quoting michaelpelly
simongraytrader said it correct - wide S/L and small positions is the way to profit/
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
Quoting Spreadbetter
Clueless, and shockingly bad advice, its one in a million that'll turn pennies into serious money, most never survive the first emotional test when their living depends on it. Is that where you trade too, pocket money account? Yeah, it all makes sense now, blurt...
So what you're saying is the size of your account is more important than your success ratio? That is what I would call "clueless".

I didn't trade for 1 or 2 months to get excellent returns. It took me a year and a half to almost double my account. But still how many people can claim they made over 50% per year in trading? You? I doubt it.

I traded with real money and never had any intention of making millions on $600 (ish) start up. I have more than $80,000 in savings that I could have started trading with, but why do that before I know if my trading method works. When I started trading forex I decide to see how far i could go in 2 years and that is something I stick too.

I have never given trading advise or divulged my method here because most people like you would say I am "stupid" or "crazy" for the way I trade, but it works.

There's only one thing I can say about you and your uptight BS.. You are a piece of trash. I have watched you down people on FF for so long and I am sure you are one of the 95% losers in the market so FuK what you say idiot.
Spreadbetter, sorry to say that but "someday you will get big loss" is a poorman advice as "take no risks, save your money, keep them in the bank". So what - he will get like 20-25% loss once in average 36 months, while he was pumpin almost 100% per year - losses occurs, not only in FX, every businessman knows that. Total profit will be strongly positive.
Spreadbetter, not everyone here is 1k account trader and wants to get millionaire in one year. I'm happy with 25% per year. From 250k this consists a nice load of cash.
Under capitalisation is a massive hurdle to success in retail trading. Forget your percentages, its irrelevant, you've made 40 dollars a month, a waste of time and effort. I cba hearing about your method, I've seen hundreds and watched as many being bench tested, its mm and probabilities that's key to retail success combined with being able to afford to avoid the 95% useless brokers who'll clip your trades. You're emotional state suggests you'd be better at staying in your comfort zone, good luck with your pocket money experiment.

Quoting Hot4Pips
So what you're saying is the size of your account is more important than your success ratio? That is what I would call "clueless".

I didn't trade for 1 or 2 months to get excellent returns. It took me a year and a half to almost double my account. But still how many people can claim they made over 50% per year in trading? You? I doubt it.

I traded with real money and never had any intention of making millions on $600 (ish) start up. I have more than $80,000 in savings that I could have started trading with, but why do that before I know...
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
Oh, and as for talking down retail trading yes I'll continue to do so given that the 99% lose and are seduced into this industry and further seduced to lose their funds. Wrt talking down FF members I don't tolerate trolls or fools, I was determined to see the trolls chased of this section, they're now gone, as for the fools...

Quoting Hot4Pips
So what you're saying is the size of your account is more important than your success ratio? That is what I would call "clueless".

I didn't trade for 1 or 2 months to get excellent returns. It took me a year and a half to almost double my account. But still how many people can claim they made over 50% per year in trading? You? I doubt it.

I traded with real money and never had any intention of making millions on $600 (ish) start up. I have more than $80,000 in savings that I could have started trading with, but why do that before I know...
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
I'm a swing and position trader who currently risks no more than 0.33% per trade and never has a total exposure of more than 2%. I don't have 'wide stops' I have stops placed where I know the trade will be invalidated.

Now talk amongst yourselves Its the weekend and I've a family to catch up with :-)

Quoting michaelpelly
Spreadbetter, sorry to say that but "someday you will get big loss" is a poorman advice as "take no risks, save your money, keep them in the bank". So what - he will get like 20-25% loss once in average 36 imonths, while he was pumpin almost 100% per year - losses occurs, not only in FX, every businessman knows that. Total profit will be strongly positive.
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
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Quoting Idoscon
OMG, WTF, crazy day today, Sorros buy gold, sold dollar
what is the source of this information
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Next week it will all change!
Well, so many others are too (swing traders that use really small percentage of their capital) - this doesn't give anybody right to act "head over heels" and mock/insult/troll at the forum participants. The man just shares his experience, he got positive results, that is great. I give him "good job! keep up!".

P.S. Others have families too. And business, and good income.
Quotes from hot pips; enough said.

"Trade small and keep your stops deep. It always comes back, this is just stop hunting."





Quoting michaelpelly
Well, so many others are too (swing traders that use really small percentage of their capital) - this doesn't give anybody right to act "head over heels" and mock/insult/troll at the forum participants. The man just shares his experience, he got positive results, that is great. I give him "good job! keep up!".

P.S. Others have families too. And business, and good income.
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
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USD is well positioned to the upside already. Usdchf is a typical example and or usdcad. Usdchf after resolving its recent h4 wedge to the upside, simply retraced back to its 68.2 fib percentage. It is as clear as crystal to me. With Friday's bullish outside bar formation off the wedge support, I will have absolutely no hesitation hitting it long as soon as market opens around current rates. Usdcad is also another great long scenario. Eurusd no matter how they try to push it up is still largely bearish in outlook. Seems like outside bearish h4 formation is another reason to load up the shorts oncemore. Plus it has failed to retake the all important 1.3414! The road to 1.3000 seems very open now
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Mamalujo, I know when the USD will strengthen. it is NOW! The die is already cast. If you are a swinger, you should be patient. The storm will be over sooner
Quoting Spreadbetter
Quotes from hot pips; enough said.

"Trade small and keep your stops deep. It always comes back, this is just stop hunting."
Not quotes from me, but yes my method is trade small and keep my stops deep. That is to avoid the news and data release effect on price swings.

When you consider that 95% of retail traders lose money, doesn't it make since to walk against the lemmings and buy or sell in the opposite direction? No I am sure that wouldn't make since to you, and that's why you will never be more than an "average" trader.

I have all the bad habits that go against the book. I add to losing trades, I risk more than 10% and I "over-trade" (whatever that is). And I am still more successful trading than you will ever be because I don't follow the rules.

As far as "It always comes back, this is just stop hunting"... I never even hinted at that. But it comes back for me ALMOST always because I understand market psychology. I am sure that means nothing to you as a technical trader.

Anyway, I am sure if i had millions to trade with and only made 10 percent in the last year and followed your logic you would think I am a good trader. That's how people like you operate. So I stand by my opinion of you... TRASH. But you have 3 vouches from people who think like you so who and I to say what you are.

BTW... Will you consider this as trolling because I defend myself and my trading method against your degrading comments? I know you "don't tolerate trolls or fools". Sounds to me like you are the king of FF.
Your quote, your words;

"Trade small and keep your stops deep. It always comes back, this is just stop hunting."

Your dissembling is pathetic and only out done by your contradictions.

Quoting Hot4Pips
Not quotes from me, but yes my method is trade small and keep my stops deep. That is to avoid the news and data release effect on price swings.

When you consider that 95% of retail traders lose money, doesn't it make since to walk against the lemmings and buy or sell in the opposite direction? No I am sure that wouldn't make since to you, and that's why you will never be more than an "average" trader.

I have all the bad habits that go against the book. I add to losing trades, I risk more than 10% and I "over-trade" (whatever that is)....
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
Quoting sisno13
All of us put together wouldn't even be enough for them to care.
Except possibly to keep the disparity between the wealthy and the rest on its ever broadening trajectory perhaps.
Come with me if you want to live....
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