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    A gloomy assessment of Ukraine’s prospects for victory against Russia emerged from a recent private gathering of former top US soldiers, intelligence officials and scholars with resumes reaching from the Reagan to the Trump administrations. Short of trained personnel and ammunition, one speaker argued, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky might consider a Chinese peace plan, especially after Beijing’s successful mediation of the Iran-Saudi dispute. The several dozen attendees, many of whom had held cabinet or sub-cabinet positions, met under Chatham House rules, which forbid identification of individual ... (full story)

us of A will be the one who rejects every peace plan on the table, just looked what happened yesterday with blinken jumping up and down immediately telling the world not to be fooled by the peace plan.

Yet the many in this small world we lived in have been fooled by every admin of us of A of donkey years!!!!! Ours included....sad lives we live.
This is not all of ours concern.
Memories is all that remains…
well, why doesn't EU accept membership of Ukraine into NATO. This will be a bold move showing real commitment and support to Ukraine. Brothers in Blood.

Ukraine and Russia will be fools not to accept any peace deal (forget China), even if its a lose-lose situation. Too much is lost for both the sides.
If Zelinsky embraced peace, he knows he will be taken down by the Ukranian soon after. Why? Just try to understand the political climate in Ukraine months before the war in Ukraine took place...Plus anyone that dances with our boris johnson is IMHO, not of any good character with any moral.

The sufferers - common Ukranians, Russians who do not want war.
Quoting vinta.reddy
Ukraine and Russia will be fools not to accept any peace deal (forget China), even if its a lose-lose situation. Too much is lost for both the sides.
I fear any peace plan will merely give russia time to re-group
Bear in mind russia have invaded 14 countries in the last 100 years and dont forget Holodomor
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No one will embrace China's plan. That's just away for china to say that "it's working for peace".
But, on the other hand, it is supplying Russia with purchases/money (gas/oil) and is selling them tech.
And I don't see Russia returning the territory it occupied from Ukraine.
That's what "terrotorial sovereignty" means.

That's just bs.
There won't be any peace until Ukraine is partiotioned.

My home country has unfortunately become a toxic swath in an economic, political and most importantly for Russia, ideological sense.

The people of Ukraine have been brainwashed for decades to believe that they constitute a separate ethnos and this very brainwashing have been conducted in such a way that even ole Goebbels would be jealous of.

For anyone who wants to have a bit of fun here's one for you. Meet any Ukrainian (except those from the western part) and ask them this << What's the difference between you and a Russian from e.g Rostov? >>
Quoting vinta.reddy
well, why doesn't EU accept membership of Ukraine into NATO. This will be a bold move showing real commitment and support to Ukraine. Brothers in Blood.
You clearly don't know anything about the procedure to join the EU. The process can take up to 20 years, or more. Before the coup in 2014, they had turned back to cooperation with Russia because EU conditions were far too drastic. Everything is worse now, corruptionwise and all.
Quoting NotBoris
us of A will be the one who rejects every peace plan on the table, just looked what happened yesterday with blinken jumping up and down immediately telling the world not to be fooled by the peace plan. Yet the many in this small world we lived in have been fooled by every admin of us of A of donkey years!!!!! Ours included....sad lives we live.
Absolutely agree. Few people listen to the contradictions coming from our "allies". They claim that peace talks will happen only if Kiev want them. But last year in March, when Ukraine accepted to work on the very accomodating (compared to anything they wil get now) peace terms in Istambul, they torpedoed everything and coerced Ukraine to prolong the war. Those beautiful allies are responsible for the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dead since.
Quoting argosgate7
There won't be any peace until Ukraine is partiotioned. My home country has unfortunately become a toxic swath in an economic, political and most importantly for Russia, ideological sense. The people of Ukraine have been brainwashed for decades to believe that they constitute a separate ethnos and this very brainwashing have been conducted in such a way that even ole Goebbels would be jealous of. For anyone who wants to have a bit of fun here's one for you. Meet any Ukrainian (except those from the western part) and ask them this << What's...
I'd like to answer this Q: "What's the difference between you (an eastern Ukrainian) and a Russian from e.g Rostov?" with some others:
Are you SO confident that your Q would have the same result now as before the 'Special Military Operation" began (After all the destruction, carnage, plunder, rape, pillage, torture et al)?
Do YOU count any current Eastern Front town/city (e.g. Bakhmut) or any temporarily-occupied town/city (e.g. Mariupol) as Western or Eastern Ukraine?
Are you SO sure that the population, past or present, of any town or city completely razed to the ground or who have experienced the loss of peaceful family and friends by Russians would say there is no difference between Ukrainians of any ilk and Russians likewise?

I'd like to pick on one very important word in this sentence: "My home country has unfortunately become a toxic swath in an economic, political and most importantly for Russia, ideological sense." Unfortunately? Seriously? The Russian leadership has done that. That's not unfortunate. That's a blatant miscalculation. If you want to change that, get active in changing the leadership AND the very fabric of the institutions and society that prevail and keep ending up with the same answers. If you want change, don't keep producing the same answers.
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} I fear any peace plan will merely give russia time to re-group Bear in mind russia have invaded 14 countries in the last 100 years and dont forget Holodomor
The US has passed 90% of its existence involved in wars and conflicts in different countries of the world.

This list doesn't include "undercover" operations of the CIA, financing of opposition groups, coups d'etat, that is, other forms of intervention and interference.

1945: Bombs the Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki

1961: Mercenary forces recruited, organized, financed and directed by the United States invade Cuba.

1965: Dominican Republic

1966: Guatemala

1980: Organizes a military intervention in the desert of Tabas (central Iran).

1981: The “contras” war begins to eliminate the Sandinista government in Nicaragua.

1986: Launches an air strike against Libya.

1989: Invades Panama to arrest whoever was his protégé, Manuel Noriega. The operation left no less than 3,000 civilian casualties.

1991: Attacks Iraq in what is called the Gulf War (Persian).

1998: Guided by incomplete or erroneous information, attack Sudan.

1999: The USA, at the head of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), bombs Yugoslavia and causes its disintegration.

2001: Invades Afghanistan.

2003: Invades Iraq.

2011: Attack Libya.

2011: Support terrorists and armed groups to try to overthrow the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Asad.

2018: Bombs Syria
Quoting argosgate7
There won't be any peace until Ukraine is partiotioned. My home country has unfortunately become a toxic swath in an economic, political and most importantly for Russia, ideological sense. The people of Ukraine have been brainwashed for decades to believe that they constitute a separate ethnos and this very brainwashing have been conducted in such a way that even ole Goebbels would be jealous of. For anyone who wants to have a bit of fun here's one for you. Meet any Ukrainian (except those from the western part) and ask them this &lt;&lt; What's...
Seems a thing of the politicians and kings of the earth. I find that down on the street we people get along pretty well until some rulers come around and try to gather people into folds. Yeah we the people can work stuff out without self serving politicians.
Quoting Giucca
{quote} The US has passed 90% of its existence involved in wars and conflicts in different countries of the world. This list doesn't include &quot;undercover&quot; operations of the CIA, financing of opposition groups, coups d'etat, that is, other forms of intervention and interference. 1945: Bombs the Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1961: Mercenary forces recruited, organized, financed and directed by the United States invade Cuba. 1965: Dominican Republic 1966: Guatemala 1980: Organizes a military intervention in the desert of Tabas (central...
Agree with that !
Quoting Giucca
{quote} The US has passed 90% of its existence involved in wars and conflicts in different countries of the world. This list doesn't include &quot;undercover&quot; operations of the CIA, financing of opposition groups, coups d'etat, that is, other forms of intervention and interference. 1945: Bombs the Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1961: Mercenary forces recruited, organized, financed and directed by the United States invade Cuba. 1965: Dominican Republic 1966: Guatemala 1980: Organizes a military intervention in the desert of Tabas (central...
Your point is?
Quoting fxx360
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Strange, I don't believe he started the war
For context, let's make my position clear from the outset: I do NOT think that the USA are saints and neither do I think that they don't get decisions wrong from time to time, particularly in terms of overplaying their hands in certain theatres of conflict.
BUT neither do I accept that all would be fine and dandy without interventions. Despite others' assertions to the contrary, it's a complete political convenience, and an extraordinary rush of naivety, to whitewash the local agitators' responsibility for all conflicts everywhere and blame absolutely everything on the USA/the West for getting involved when things have got to an extreme.
Human kind has been knocking chunks out of each other since the species evolved and any form of recognised division seems to have warranted it whether it's religion, tribal, race, rich/poor, country, borders, gangs, morals and so forth. The list is endless.
https://www.un.org/en/un75/new-era-c...t-and-violence
Zelensky, will not enter into a peace treaty, his people will kill him, because he led his people into a war that couldn't be won. They will ask, what's been achieved with so many lives on the altar en so much money wasted? It's a very difficult situation. Only a world war will solve the problem . . . . . for keeps.
Quoting Bakker
Zelensky, will not enter into a peace treaty, his people will kill him, because he led his people into a war that couldn't be won. They will ask, what's been achieved with so many lives on the altar en so much money wasted? It's a very difficult situation. Only a world war will solve the problem . . . . . for keeps.
I don't believe there will be a world war, China has a fairly firm grip on russia and china does not want a world war, they stand to loose too much
Russia, and all its proxies are the real problem. Just look where russia is involved
Somehow, russia will need to be brought into line, which is a very seriously difficult problem
Quoting Bakker
Zelensky, will not enter into a peace treaty, his people will kill him, because he led his people into a war that couldn't be won. They will ask, what's been achieved with so many lives on the altar en so much money wasted? It's a very difficult situation. Only a world war will solve the problem . . . . . for keeps.
Cant be WON?. Winning rather depends on the definition of the objectives? Doesnt it?
That may certainly be true in terms of toppling or conquering Russia. It may or may not be in terms of precipitating a change of regime or of expansionist and neo imperialist policy in Russia.. thats to be seen.

However I would suggest that WINNING in this Ukrainian context means frustrating Putins stated objective of over running and occupying greater Ukraine... and that is imminently achievable (WINNABLE) outcome. That of retrieving the areas of Dunbas and Crimea which had already been effectively lost is less certain.

So in terms of WINNING, given Ukraines success in fighting the might of the Red Army to a standstill and preventing te conquest of his country, I would say that while Zelenskys not yet WON, (since its not over), he certainly IS WINNING.
And for Putin, in terms of his objectives, he is demonstrably and embarrassingly LOOSING.
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Guy this is stupid...the ukrainians make a stupid mistake entering a war with a world power that have capabilitys to war with the whole world and do not say that is nuclear power too.... the ukrainian regime only listen what other power told them the if they think for the good of the people they wouldn do this...its like we say mexico start to make some moves that will upset there north neigbor, what gona be the move do you think that goverments who think for there people gona enter in this kind of provocation...lets think litle logical all this nonsense what others are talking is not making any sense evry great power is deffending what they seemse to be therese....who is entering on war with world power and to have some expectetions....but the nato wants this .....nonsesne....people are daying because of some birocrats in brussles....why there not thinking same for the syrians...like ukranians
Only reason for Ukraine to make a deal with Russia is not having confidence in Biden. Biden is dealing with this same as LBJ did Vietnam. Here's enough to keep in the fight but not enough to win.
I believe that the reason the Ukrainians are fighting as they are is because they have faced Holodomor at the hands of the russians and if you look at the russian tactics now and the destruction you will see that they are very much the same as they were then so the Ukrainians know what awaits them if they yield to russia now
Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor and see for yourselves
I believe that Ukrain needs every bit of support they can get to stave off a second catastrophe
Quoting MaverickCT
I believe that Ukrain needs every bit of support they can get to stave off a second catastrophe
"UK Sending Depleted Uranium Shells To Ukraine Tantamount To Using 'Dirty Bomb': Kremlin"
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...y-bomb-kremlin
""Yugoslav scenario. These shells not only kill, but infect the environment and cause oncology in people living on these lands," she said, in reference to cancer and other deadly ailments.

"By the way, it is naive to believe that only those against whom all this will be used will become victims. In Yugoslavia, NATO soldiers, in particular the Italians, were the first to suffer. Then they tried for a long time to get compensation from NATO for lost health. But their claims were denied," she said."
Quoting chemosi
{quote} &quot;UK Sending Depleted Uranium Shells To Ukraine Tantamount To Using 'Dirty Bomb': Kremlin&quot; https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...y-bomb-kremlin &quot;&quot;Yugoslav scenario. These shells not only kill, but infect the environment and cause oncology in people living on these lands,&quot; she said, in reference to cancer and other deadly ailments. &quot;By the way, it is naive to believe that only those against whom all this will be used will become victims....
You again
I see you are quoting Zakharova from Tass.com again
Quoting chemosi
{quote} "UK Sending Depleted Uranium Shells To Ukraine Tantamount To Using 'Dirty Bomb': Kremlin" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...y-bomb-kremlin ""Yugoslav scenario. These shells not only kill, but infect the environment and cause oncology in people living on these lands," she said, in reference to cancer and other deadly ailments. "By the way, it is naive to believe that only those against whom all this will be used will become victims....
Only the dumb and lazy do not know that these are armor-piercing ammunition.
Manya are apparently drunk again

Shells will be dismantled to extract uranium? Why and for what?
Why even hypothetically make a dirty bomb? There are cheaper and more effective ways to kill russian scum.
HIMARS o'clock
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} Strange, I don't believe he started the war
Of course he didn't start the war. His predecessors did (under the guidance of???). When running for office (back in 2019, was it?), one of his campaign promises was to stop the war. The next day after he got elected, he dropped that promise and made a U-turn. In 2021, he announced the preparation of a big offensive on the Donbass and Crimea for the spring of 2022 (it's on the records).
Quoting MaverickCT
I believe that the reason the Ukrainians are fighting as they are is because they have faced Holodomor at the hands of the russians and if you look at the russian tactics now and the destruction you will see that they are very much the same as they were then so the Ukrainians know what awaits them if they yield to russia now Please read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor and see for yourselves I believe that Ukrain needs every bit of support they can get to stave off a second catastrophe
This is grotesque. You know nothing of this famine. You just propagandize it.
[quote=Nobody-yet;14370620]{quote} Of course he didn't start the war. His predecessors did (under the guidance of???). When running for office (back in 2019, was it?), one of his campaign promises was to stop the war. The next day after he got elected, he dropped that promise and made a U-turn. In 2021, he announced the preparation of a big offensive on the Donbass and Crimea for the spring of 2022 (it's on the records).[/quote
Sorry , but I believe you wrong
Putin himself in a talk recently said that he would have started it in 2008 but be did not have the milatary capacity nor the money to fund the war so he just took crimea and build up his army and war chest and then started a year ago
Please go and do some research before making comments like this
Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} This is grotesque. You know nothing of this famine. You just propagandize it.
I believe the article is from wikepedia so it is factual
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} ... frustrating Putins stated objective of over running and occupying greater Ukraine... and that is imminently achievable (WINNABLE) outcome. That of retrieving the areas of Dunbas...
So in terms of WINNING, given Ukraines success in fighting the might of the Red Army to a standstill and preventing te conquest of his country, I would say that while Zelenskys not yet WON, (since its not over), he certainly IS WINNING.
And for Putin, in terms of his objectives, he is demonstrably and embarrassingly LOOSING.

"Putins stated objective of over running and occupying greater Ukraine": I've never seen nor heard such a statement made by Putin. By the West, yes, but by Putin himself, never. Do you have a link to one such statement out of the Kremlin, so I can instruct myself further?

I don't see how you find that Ukraine is fighting successfully against "the might of the Red army to a standstill". Russia entered this last phase of the war with 150k troops and, if we are to believe western media, poorly trained, poorly equiped and poorly managed. I can hardly see how 150k troops are "the might of the Red army". Yet, by looking at a map, they are the ones who made progresses. Not the Ukrainians. The BBC did a research in the hope to corroborate the Ukrainian claims that Russians have suffered heavy casualties (100k to 200k+) but could only come up with 20k so far. Israeli intel recently said that Ukraine's casualties were around 250k. How is that winning for this side of the war?

As for Putin "demonstrably and embarrassingly LOOSING", so far as I can see, it's a question of optics.
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} I believe the article is from wikepedia so it is factual
What I find grotesque is blaming today's Russians for what Stalin did. It would be as ridiculous as blaming the Georgians for the holomodor, since Stalin was Georgian, etc. Eastern Ukrainians of that time blamed the Jews for it and conducted pogroms killing tens if not hundred of thousands. Why, in short, because Jews were the ones who locally carried-out Stalin's order to confiscate all the crops to finance Stalin's war effort. This is a tragic event of the past, but calling it a Russian tactic is rich.
Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} This is a tragic event of the past, but calling it a Russian tactic is rich.
look at the civilians they are targeting, the infrastucture they are targetting to let the population freeze during winter, the torture rooms, the rapes and the children they are treating as spoils of war as per the ICC, the bombing of hospitals, schools in fact the total destruction of the Ukrainian people . They may not be starving them but they are using other tactics to achieve basically the same objective
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} look at the civilians they are targeting, the infrastucture they are targetting to let the population freeze during winter, the torture rooms, the rapes and the children they are treating as spoils of war as per the ICC, the bombing of hospitals, schools in fact the total destruction of the Ukrainian people . They may not be starving them but they are using other tactics to achieve basically the same objective
I believe none of those claims. Too much Ukrainian propaganda (false facts, fake videos, rejection of neutral international investigation, etc.) Russians refrained from doing carpet bombing and killing hundred of thousands of civilians like the US in Irak. The hospitals and schools that are targeted are used by the Ukrainian military as hide-outs. The only deliberate bombings of civilians are done by Ukrainians from what I see. Torture of civilians and pow has been undertaken by the SBU and others for years now. Zelenski even publically announced last year that they were not going to respect the Geneva convention. Didn't see the equivalent on the other side (besides unproven claims). The xillions of rapes: Lyudmilla Denisova finally got fired after months of spreading that fake news when she couldn't even find one real witness of those crimes (and in the meantime, she bought herself a house in the Swiss Alps for around $10million). I maybe wrong, but until I see some real evidence to the contrary (not the constant lies and contradictions spitted by the western media), I won't change my mind. And honestly, if Russia wanted to eradicate Ukraine from the face of the earth, like you seem to believe, they could use much more radical means.
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} I fear any peace plan will merely give russia time to re-group Bear in mind russia have invaded 14 countries in the last 100 years and dont forget Holodomor
i can name other counties that have done far worse than russia
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} I believe none of those claims. Too much Ukrainian propaganda (false facts, fake videos, rejection of neutral international investigation, etc.) Russians refrained from doing carpet bombing and killing hundred of thousands of civilians like the US in Irak. The hospitals and schools that are targeted are used by the Ukrainian military as hide-outs. The only deliberate bombings of civilians are done by Ukrainians from what I see. Torture of civilians and pow has been undertaken by the SBU and others for years now. Zelenski even publically...
perfect
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} &quot;Putins stated objective of over running and occupying greater Ukraine&quot;: I've never seen nor heard such a statement made by Putin. By the West, yes, but by Putin himself, never. Do you have a link to one such statement out of the Kremlin, so I can instruct myself further? I don't see how you find that Ukraine is fighting successfully against &quot;the might of the Red army to a standstill&quot;. Russia entered this last phase of the war with 150k troops and, if we are to believe western media, poorly trained, poorly equiped and...
If Putin has only lost 20k v 250k Ukrainians, why has this lasted over a year instead of the oft predicted 4 days? Can't believe your media.
[quote=gat;14371860]{quote} If Putin has only lost 20k v 250k Ukrainians, why has this lasted over a year instead of the oft predicted 4 days? Can't believe your media.

Agree, this is nonsense:
This expert put Ukraine’s “unrecoverable” casualties (killed or seriously wounded) at two-thirds of Russia’s: 120,000 Ukrainian dead or seriously wounded versus 150,000 to 200,000 Russians . . . .
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} Your point is?
yes what was your point >>>>being stupid
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
Some people think about the small things while others think about the bigger things. If you don't use a top down bottom up approach and include an understanding of geo-socio-political progressive economics, then you're just stabbing in the dark. People won't do anything about learning about this area, so "they", the other people who wage wars etc, get away with it all. "They" are only doing what comes naturally but you're not. China possess MANY resources and holds the patents on 'air-space' technology, so you would be wise to reconsider remaining ignorant. People, Water and Earth minerals are 3 of the most required resources on the planet. Ukraine is a necessary piece but small army. You might want to consider what else they have there that the "world wants".

Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} What I find grotesque is blaming today's Russians for what Stalin did. It would be as ridiculous as blaming the Georgians for the holomodor, since Stalin was Georgian, etc. Eastern Ukrainians of that time blamed the Jews for it and conducted pogroms killing tens if not hundred of thousands. Why, in short, because Jews were the ones who locally carried-out Stalin's order to confiscate all the crops to finance Stalin's war effort. This is a tragic event of the past, but calling it a Russian tactic is rich.
if you were able to speak Russian as I do, I could direct you to genocidal speaches by Putin and his crew. But it’s more likely that you are either Russian troll or just ingnoramus
" In February 2023, over 80 percent of Russians approved of activities of the Russian President Vladimir Putin. The popularity level saw an increase compared to September 2022, when it stood at 77 percent. The decline in that month was explained by the announcement of a partial mobilization in the country. After Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February 2022, the approval rating increased. During the COVID-19 lockdown in the spring of 2020, the figure declined. "
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rating-russia/

This is the reality and the bigger picture of concern...but we are all free to have opinions or call
others trolls and so on...
Check out the propaganda piece article below of someone with a higher rating than Putin
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Quoting chemosi
&quot; In February 2023, over 80 percent of Russians approved of activities of the Russian President Vladimir Putin. The popularity level saw an increase compared to September 2022, when it stood at 77 percent. The decline in that month was explained by the announcement of a partial mobilization in the country. After Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February 2022, the approval rating increased. During the COVID-19 lockdown in the spring of 2020, the figure declined. &quot; https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rating-russia/...
Coincides with Putins new "Fake news" criminal laws and isolating Russians from foreign media.
Good Vibes - In charts we trust
Pulchra All Time Return: -88.4%
Literally most people I have come across in the last 20ys or so, live 'inside the walls' of their society and have no clue what real life is beyond the society they live in. I have known Nth and Sth American people, Eastern and Western Europeans as well the Asian Regions. And the story is always the same..... You don't know IF you're human until you walk outside the wall, turn around then look back at the whole situation. I don't see people doing that. I see them squabbling over trivial things, anything to avoid real life. It's funny just how distracted people allow themselves to be.
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
People "expect" to be treated like and respected as "a human" when in fact, I don't see that people remember or know what THAT is anymore. It reminds me of the Russel Crowe movie "Noah" and the situation - "Noah's family vs everyone outside the ark". No not being religious just a good depiction of what I am talking about. Conceptually the same thing.
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Peace should be the most basic need of the Russian and Ukrainian population. Unfortunately, certain politicians are not willing to achieve this goal.
Just follow the trend.
Quoting lucaswalliam
Peace should be the most basic need of the Russian and Ukrainian population. Unfortunately, certain politicians are not willing to achieve this goal.
If you step LOOOONG way back from this thinking for a moment, you may see that peace is not the absence of war and violence but when the public uphold their responsibilities. When they do this, the other side of the equation is kept in check. There have been many examples in history of this happening. But "domesticated people" "produce" soldiers who then go off to fight "for" them because they don't want to uphold their responsibilities. "Modern people" just assume it's always been this way. And have become victims of their own irresponsibility. It takes 2 to tango. Tyrants, despots etc do what comes naturally but the public do everything they can to run and hide from these responsibilities ie do what comes naturally. Everything else is just a "story".
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting chemosi
" In February 2023, over 80 percent of Russians approved of activities of the Russian President Vladimir Putin. The popularity level saw an increase compared to September 2022, when it stood at 77 percent. The decline in that month was explained by the announcement of a partial mobilization in the country. After Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February 2022, the approval rating increased. During the COVID-19 lockdown in the spring of 2020, the figure declined. " https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rating-russia/...
So.. Are you trying to point out that huylo is doing everything right or that 80% of russians are dumb cattle, supporting war and everything that ru propaganda feeds them?
If that stats is true

It seems that the second option will be correct regardless of your answer.
HIMARS o'clock
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} If you step LOOOONG way back from this thinking for a moment, you may see that peace is not the absence of war and violence but when the public uphold their responsibilities. When they do this, the other side of the equation is kept in check. There have been many examples in history of this happening. But &quot;domesticated people&quot; &quot;produce&quot; soldiers who then go off to fight &quot;for&quot; them because they don't want to uphold their responsibilities. &quot;Modern people&quot; just assume it's always been this way. And have...
That is good, people like to clamor about their rights but ignore responsibility. We must care about our neighbors rights as much as our own. Jesus made it simple Love God and Love your neighbor. But we are far to advanced for simple things LoL
Quoting Giucca
{quote} The US has passed 90% of its existence involved in wars and conflicts in different countries of the world. This list doesn't include "undercover" operations of the CIA, financing of opposition groups, coups d'etat, that is, other forms of intervention and interference. 1945: Bombs the Japanese cities Hiroshima and Nagasaki 1961: Mercenary forces recruited, organized, financed and directed by the United States invade Cuba. 1965: Dominican Republic 1966: Guatemala 1980: Organizes a military intervention in the desert of Tabas (central...
List of russian operation ...
Ukrainian Soviet War 1917-1922
KAzastan War 197-1920
Finish war 1918
LAtvian, Estonian Lithuanian, same time
Invaded Poland 1920
Turkish war 1919-1923
Armenia, Azerbajdjan Mongolia 1920-1912
First Intervention i =n Afganistan 1929 amd 1930
Chechen War 1932
Soviet Japan conflict 1932-1941
Invasion of Xinjiang 1937
Invasion of Poland 1939 (togeter with Hitler)
Korean War 1950-53
Vietnam war 1955-1975
East Germany uprising 1953
Hungarian Revolution 1956
Czekoslovakis 1968
Eritrea 1974-91
Angola 1975-1991
Afganistan 1979-1989
Georgian war 1991-1993
South Osetia war 1992
Abhazia 1993
Thadjikistan war 1992-93
First Chechen war 1994-96
Dagestan war 1999
Second Chechen war 1999-2009
Georgia war 2008
Anection of Crimea 2014
Intervention in Syria 2015 - on going
Central African Republic war 2018
And Ukraina 2022 on going
There is no Saints in this world.
Feel the balance.
BN
Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} I believe none of those claims. Too much Ukrainian propaganda (false facts, fake videos, rejection of neutral international investigation, etc.) Russians refrained from doing carpet bombing and killing hundred of thousands of civilians like the US in Irak. The hospitals and schools that are targeted are used by the Ukrainian military as hide-outs. The only deliberate bombings of civilians are done by Ukrainians from what I see. Torture of civilians and pow has been undertaken by the SBU and others for years now. Zelenski even publically...
I believe none of those claims.
BN
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} So.. Are you trying to point out that huylo is doing everything right or that 80% of russians are dumb cattle, supporting war and everything that ru propaganda feeds them? If that stats is true It seems that the second option will be correct regardless of your answer.
You can point me to another statistics elsewhere even if it is a fake one, i will check it out.
Until then, amuse yourself to your hearts desire.....
Quoting chemosi
{quote} You can point me to another statistics elsewhere even if it is a fake one, i will check it out. Until then, amuse yourself to your hearts desire.....
Why? Let's say it's perfectly legit stats.

Usually people use statistics to back up their position.
you just threw in these numbers, with quote "After Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February 2022, the approval rating increased." For what reason?
Are you trying to point out that huylo is doing everything right or that 80% of russians are dumb cattle, supporting war and everything that ru propaganda feeds them? (yes, they are)

I can't imagine that a sane person would support an invasion of another country, with all the consequences that entails.

After all, in a nazi-land you can go to jail for protesting with a blank piece of paper. Worse, if it will be written "мир" on it. So there are not plenty of options.
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Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Why? Let's say it's perfectly legit stats. Usually people use statistics to back up their position. ..
Okay, its perfect legit statistics as you say....

Then over 115 million Russians are saying Putin is doing everything right and that you are
extremely dumb as f*ck and stupid to believe your own indoctrinated propaganda....They would
also say your opinion is greatly outnumbered, just some piss in the grass....

They would also say Germany perfected the Nazi in 1940s and the whole world got to
learn about colour revolutions that disguises as protests...
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} I can't imagine that a sane person would support an invasion of another country, with all the consequences that entails..
Well, 115 million insane people..... whom would say there is missing context in your
imagination...
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Usually people use statistics to back up their position.
you just threw in these numbers, with quote "After Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February 2022, the approval rating increased." For what reason?..
You can check my last year's comments on that or contact statista.com
Something to do with clandestine operations under Obama/Biden regime(+hunter bidan) in
Ukraine followed by Eastern Ukraine separatists war.....
Quoting chemosi
{quote} Okay, its perfect legit statistics as you say.... Then over 115 million Russians are saying Putin is doing everything right and that you are extremely dumb as f*ck and stupid to believe your own indoctrinated propaganda....
Exactly. 80% of russians are dumb cattle, supporting war and everything that ru propaganda feeds them.
Assuming that is representative stats. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks for answering.
HIMARS o'clock
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Exactly. 80% of russians are dumb cattle, supporting war and everything that ru propaganda feeds them. Assuming that is representative stats. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thanks for answering.
Thats your answer, not mine...
Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Exactly. 80% of russians are dumb cattle, supporting war and everything that ru propaganda feeds them. Assuming that is representative stats. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thanks for answering.
yes is that like 80% of germans wanted renewable power to save the planet and found it didnt work they way the 10 to 40 year olds were told, dont you just hate the snow i know who the dumfuks are
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Quoting Aussi
{quote}yes is that like 80% of germans wanted renewable power to save the planet and found it didnt work they way the 10 to 40 year olds were told
....guess who they believed
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} ....guess who they believed {image}
seems they love the liars in the media but all gets told when money cant fix it and the visible evidence comes out stupid nongs
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Quoting ALThau
{quote} if you were able to speak Russian as I do, I could direct you to genocidal speaches by Putin and his crew. But it’s more likely that you are either Russian troll or just ingnoramus
That's a lame comment. People who have nothing to say just use the word "troll". It makes them feel intelligent.
Quoting gat
{quote} If Putin has only lost 20k v 250k Ukrainians, why has this lasted over a year instead of the oft predicted 4 days? Can't believe your media.
Predicted by who? The West? Because they are the only ones who I ever heard use that argument. Remember that 2 days in the war, the Ukrainians asked for negotiations. This war could've stopped within a month or so and Ukraine's territory would've stayed pretty much intact. Buth thanks to BJ, the war was prolonged and things will end in a mess.

What do the losses have to do with the duration? Like I said, the 20k (+ or -) are mentionned by the BBC (and more or less the Russian MOD), the 250k are mentionned by the Israelis. I'm not saying either that they are absolutely right but they seem consistent with the way this conflict is going (in my opinion, but I reserve the right to change my opinion depending on facts, not words, especially from biased mainstream media or either parties). Why it is taking so long? We can only speculate at the moment. Do your own work and draw your own conclusion, or wait until the fog of war clears up and the war ends. Truth and numbers will be revealed (to some extent).
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Quoting gat
{quote} If Putin has only lost 20k v 250k Ukrainians, why has this lasted over a year instead of the oft predicted 4 days? Can't believe your media. Agree, this is nonsense: This expert put Ukraine’s “unrecoverable” casualties (killed or seriously wounded) at two-thirds of Russia’s: 120,000 Ukrainian dead or seriously wounded versus 150,000 to 200,000 Russians . . . .
Believe who you want to believe. In the end, we'll get the real figures. I'm ready to bet that you'll be surprised. It's not easy to hide so many soldiers dead and wounded.
I'm interested to see how people respond when they figure out that China and its controlled US puppet, along with Russia, are working with Ukraine and NATO and the US to move all power away from the west.

We're so used to choosing from just two choices: in this case, Ukraine/US/NATO or Russia/China.

But some time, possibly after it's too late, people will discover there has always been a third choice. It's just not offered because those controlling the world would no longer feel relevant.

Even the WEF'ers have stated that the best easiest way to change your habits is to remove the previous choices you had before and substitute them with the two choices WEF/UN/WHO/DAVOS/etc want you to choose from.

They don't need to control everyone, just the ignorant masses.
Quoting CashBox
I'm interested to see how people respond when they figure out that China and its controlled US puppet, along with Russia, are working with Ukraine and NATO and the US to move all power away from the west. We're so used to choosing from just two choices: in this case, Ukraine/US/NATO or Russia/China. But some time, possibly after it's too late, people will discover there has always been a third choice. It's just not offered because those controlling the world would no longer feel relevant. Even the WEF'ers have stated that the best easiest way to...
love it again by a man that see,s it for what it is
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Quoting Aussi
{quote} love it again by a man that see,s it for what it is
Here's something else that's been floating around in the brain for a couple of weeks:

Taking a closer look at Silicon Valley bank and Signature bank, it has become evident that the US is trying to trash crypto, not necessarily the banking industry. In fact, the FDIC told potential Signature buyers that they had to agree to NOT continue the crypto part of that bank. Also, the two largest accounts that were reported at SVB were crypto fund US dollars.

China also worked to destroy crypto just before introducing their cbdc. If I recall correctly, the ccp had to pay people to get them to try it and it fell flat.

Or, did it fall flat?

Was the ccp cbdc program just a trial run for the US using the ccp's cbdc on US citizens and the rest of the west?

The only possibility of the US coming through this is IF, and ONLY IF, the timing of everything was thrown off by Clinton not getting elected in 2016.

If cbdc takes over, will they leave anything for us to trade...if they control it all via payment and punishment via cbdc credits?
Quoting CashBox
{quote} Here's something else that's been floating around in the brain for a couple of weeks: Taking a closer look at Silicon Valley bank and Signature bank, it has become evident that the US is trying to trash crypto, not necessarily the banking industry. In fact, the FDIC told potential Signature buyers that they had to agree to NOT continue the crypto part of that bank. Also, the two largest accounts that were reported at SVB were crypto fund US dollars. China also worked to destroy crypto just before introducing their cbdc. If I recall correctly,...
yes mate if they cant tax it it will be outlawed it is as simple as that if its good for the people it will be stopped
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Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} I'm not saying either that they are absolutely right but they seem consistent with the way this conflict is going (in my opinion, but I reserve the right to change my opinion depending on facts, not words, especially from biased mainstream media or either parties). Why it is taking so long? We can only speculate at the moment. Do your own work and draw your own conclusion, or wait until the fog of war clears up and the war ends. Truth and numbers will be revealed (to some extent)...
Totally agree.
Quoting CashBox
{quote} Here's something else that's been floating around in the brain for a couple of weeks: Taking a closer look at Silicon Valley bank and Signature bank, it has become evident that the US is trying to trash crypto, not necessarily the banking industry. In fact, the FDIC told potential Signature buyers that they had to agree to NOT continue the crypto part of that bank. Also, the two largest accounts that were reported at SVB were crypto fund US dollars. China also worked to destroy crypto just before introducing their cbdc. If I recall correctly,...
No proably not, we are just sheep to them. The politicians/government officials are vassals in a feodal system, if they even think about freedom or helping the people their electoral positions are not renewed they get cancelled.

Here in Sweden it already come so far that children are considered government property, and parents get their children taken away if they don’t comply with state indoctrination program and wanna raise their children on their own.
This has caused an uprise among the muslim community and eastern europeans living in the country, since they together has the highest birth rate of all ethnicities living here.

So the goal is absolute control economy is one big part of it. The system will be technofeodalism, where those going for personal freedom in finance or any other matter that is out of the scope of the plan, will have increasing difficulties in doing so.

Also there are alot of reason for the government to implement the system, the west has had over 50% decline in birth rates since the 1950s. The babyboomers are out of the workforce, this creates an productivity gap where the population have to take over the shortage by working more or longer, or even better:BOTH. We see this also in Sweden where politicians increase the retirement age to 70 and in France where it been increased to 64.

An alternative such as crypto or forex with high leverage, risks taking the much needed workers off the labour markets. Thus governments take measures to keep this from happenimg.

Basically all ideas that keeps you from joining the workforce are attacked now by regulators, using keywords such as ”security”, ”stability” and ”protection”. This trend will continue in an George Soros described boom-bust sequence proably to the early 2030s.
Memories is all that remains…
Quoting NotBoris
us of A will be the one who rejects every peace plan on the table, just looked what happened yesterday with blinken jumping up and down immediately telling the world not to be fooled by the peace plan. Yet the many in this small world we lived in have been fooled by every admin of us of A of donkey years!!!!! Ours included....sad lives we live.
Ukraine is F*cked but the Western media would rather ignore the Asia times or other non USA controlled media.
However, a peace plan, if accepted now, rewards the UKraine by pointing out to the world that total defeat by Russia was not suffered. That they had thwarted Putins aim of total annexation of the Ukraine. If so then the Ukrainians can be proud of that. However. Continuing the war with the aim of gaining back the whole of the Ukraine would be disaterous for Zelensky et al. He goes not have the manpower or ammo to do so, and Western support will probably drain away when the reality of such limitations is accepted by the West.
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
Ukraine will never accept China's peace plan. Russia has been exposed and they can't even take Bakhmut let alone Ukraine, from the world's second best army. The spring offensive is underway and Putin should save face and give up the whole of Donbas and Crimea. There is no other way. Putin will be disgraced like we never saw before and the west will conquer.
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Quoting Wavegarrick
Ukraine will never accept China's peace plan. Russia has been exposed and they can't even take Bakhmut let alone Ukraine, from the world's second best army. The spring offensive is underway and Putin should save face and give up the whole of Donbas and Crimea. There is no other way. Putin will be disgraced like we never saw before and the west will conquer.
Very strange comment. Since you hate Putin, why would you want him to save face? On Earth-616, however, I think your scenario is unrealistic.
Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} Very strange comment. Since you hate Putin, why would you want him to save face? On Earth-616, however, I think your scenario is unrealistic.
So you deny Ukraine's right to exist as a sovereign nation, a free and democratic society? Nothing strange about that and nothing to negotiate. Putin needs to withdraw his troops from the whole of Ukraine and that includes Crimea. Case closed.
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Quoting Wavegarrick
Ukraine will never accept China's peace plan. Russia has been exposed and they can't even take Bakhmut let alone Ukraine, from the world's second best army. The spring offensive is underway and Putin should save face and give up the whole of Donbas and Crimea. There is no other way. Putin will be disgraced like we never saw before and the west will conquer.
Never say never
Quoting Wavegarrick
{quote} So you deny Ukraine's right to exist as a sovereign nation, a free and democratic society? Nothing strange about that and nothing to negotiate. Putin needs to withdraw his troops from the whole of Ukraine and that includes Crimea. Case closed.
Will never happen . And if you think that Russia will retreat, as Us controlled media says, you r a bit wrong bud. After 3 months after invasion began, all media told what? That Russians are defeated. Dont have tanks, no rockets and etc.. Still... Not even close.
Bakhmut? Total collapse and look what even european media says about Bakhmut.. That Ukraine failed with Bakhmut. Not to mention Israel's media and etc ( Ofc not the US or UK..)
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Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} I don't believe there will be a world war, China has a fairly firm grip on russia and china does not want a world war, they stand to loose too much Russia, and all its proxies are the real problem. Just look where russia is involved Somehow, russia will need to be brought into line, which is a very seriously difficult problem
People, first of all, understand one thing between Russia and China, you forgot what is BRICS. And how its expanding. Lol
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Quoting SkullCandy
{quote} Will never happen . And if you think that Russia will retreat, as Us controlled media says, you r a bit wrong bud. After 3 months after invasion began, all media told what? That Russians are defeated. Dont have tanks, no rockets and etc.. Still... Not even close. Bakhmut? Total collapse and look what even european media says about Bakhmut.. That Ukraine failed with Bakhmut. Not to mention Israel's media and etc ( Ofc not the US or UK..)
Man I wish I did not have to respond to you but here goes, We will see with the spring offensive. Ukraine has a few months to make amends and from what I can see is that they are burning with revenge, passion and hatred with their homeland being destroyed. loved ones and innocent children lives taken away. The offensive will be conclusive and I invite you to have a conversation with me in a couple of months.
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How much ruzzian biowaste was utilized in Bakhmut alone?

What was the size of the original invasion group 24.02.22? They all are gone now.
Mobilized 300,000, but there is nothing to supply them with. So there are 'meat-bag storms'.
ru.. cannot ensure the production and repair of equipment; there is scrap left from the times of the WW I and WW II. But they still can produce rockets to shell civilians... (країна-гній)

Poo tin is a scum who decided that the fate of the country is inseparable from his own. He is fucked, ruzzia is fucked.
So, fuck ruzzia and their supporters.

ru trolls here can wath, I'm almost sure they're speak the language
https://www.youtube.com/@tobeor/videos
HIMARS o'clock
Btw, why is China offering peace plan to Ukraine while threatening Taiwan with war?
HIMARS o'clock
Quoting W0lfram
Btw, why is China offering peace plan to Ukraine while threatening Taiwan with war?
It's a deliberate strategy of the east and Russian empire. This is what they've done for hundreds of years, take territory little by little and make people forget by offering peace, or shift focus to another place.
This is how russia grew so big.
If you read Sun Tzu's "Art Of War" it makes sense.

Also if you look at China's plan for the new "Silk road" it goes right through Ukraine to Moscow, war disrupts China's long term projects such as the silk road. It's a massive project involving over 100 countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...6817499998&z=2
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Quoting W0lfram
How much ruzzian biowaste was utilized in Bakhmut alone? What was the size of the original invasion group 24.02.22? They all are gone now. Mobilized 300,000, but there is nothing to supply them with. So there are 'meat-bag storms'. ru.. cannot ensure the production and repair of equipment; there is scrap left from the times of the WW I and WW II. But they still can produce rockets to shell civilians... (країна-гній) Poo tin is a scum who decided that the fate of the country is inseparable...
you poor thing
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Quoting W0lfram
Btw, why is China offering peace plan to Ukraine while threatening Taiwan with war?
If you did not know, China is also the bad guy in a not distant future. You should start early
bashing their balls like you do Russia. I am sure it will help somehow....but wont stop a damn thing...
Quoting Ferna
{quote} It's a deliberate strategy of the east and Russian empire. This is what they've done for hundreds of years, take territory little by little and make people forget by offering peace, or shift focus to another place. This is how russia grew so big. If you read Sun Tzu's "Art Of War" it makes sense. Also if you look at China's plan for the new "Silk road" it goes right through Ukraine to Moscow, war disrupts China's long term projects such as the silk road. It's a massive project involving over 100 countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative...
I do agree.
However, major clandestine activities in Syria from 2011 and Ukraine from 2014, all happening
even now and today, together with declassification of related classified materials in 2017 by
trump admin, i will support Russia on this war... i know who the real enemy is, its always the same
guys...
Quoting chemosi
{quote} I do agree. However, major clandestine activities in Syria from 2011 and Ukraine from 2014, all happening even now and today, together with declassification of related classified materials in 2017 by trump admin, i will support Russia on this war... i know who the real enemy is, its always the same guys...
For me i’m a supporter of liberal capitalism. I try stay out of their recurrents conflicts.
Memories is all that remains…
Reading these mixed comments shows humanity is in trouble. Where's your creative thinking and logical approach? ha its all gone and how people cannot decipher between truth fact or fiction. Question EVERYTHING sure a answer might take weeks/months of research back and forth with unbias thinking but it comes, sure its usually debunking old beliefs and thats if you can handle it, work on ones self and those of you who are self-aware see it with clarity and then this noise is mostly opportunity $$. , like come on if the last three years didn't teach you anything.. you never will see the through the smoke screen get the basics rights peeps l'm ashamed.. it shows a lack of street cred here as 95 % are gamblers in fx anyway.
I'm a speculator - not a gambler.
Memories is all that remains…
Quoting cowcow1
Reading these mixed comments shows humanity is in trouble. Where's your creative thinking and logical approach? ha its all gone and how people cannot decipher between truth fact or fiction. Question EVERYTHING sure a answer might take weeks/months of research back and forth with unbias thinking but it comes, sure its usually debunking old beliefs and thats if you can handle it, work on ones self and those of you who are self-aware see it with clarity and then this noise is mostly opportunity $$. , like come on if the last three years didn't teach...
yes humanity as been in trouble because of greed , you being a aussi trying to tell 95% of forex traders are gambling well life now is a gamble ot dont you get it yet
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Quoting cowcow1
Reading these mixed comments shows humanity is in trouble. Where's your creative thinking and logical approach? ha its all gone and how people cannot decipher between truth fact or fiction. Question EVERYTHING ..
Yes. QUESTION EVERYTHING.
Before 2020, it was extremely rare for anybody under the age of 21 to have a heart attack...
Now we have Dr Baffled everywhere...
I would say that people need to stop trying to pick a side and try something different, below is something I like to use as my bullshit meter, both young and old, male and female, it sees all in the same way.


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Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting Wavegarrick
{quote} So you deny Ukraine's right to exist as a sovereign nation, a free and democratic society? Nothing strange about that and nothing to negotiate. Putin needs to withdraw his troops from the whole of Ukraine and that includes Crimea. Case closed.
You go from strange to weird!
Is this thread still live?
Can figure what the problem is... not complicated guys..
Maybe a picture would help?
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Quoting Nobody-yet
{quote} You go from strange to weird!
I guess you are nobody yet so what makes sense will be out of your scope of understanding. Weird isn't it?
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Quoting RossEdwards
Is this thread still live? Can figure what the problem is... not complicated guys.. Maybe a picture would help? {image}
This picture speaks a thousand words.
Thanks Ross.
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Quoting RossEdwards
Is this thread still live? Can figure what the problem is... not complicated guys.. Maybe a picture would help? {image}
the real map
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Quoting Wavegarrick
{quote} This picture speaks a thousand words. Thanks Ross.
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
And so I'll say it again, silly people with lots of opinions, but then, they're free. So it seems it needs to be pointed out once again ......


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Once you have "chosen a side", even if that side is just an opinion, you've just proven how ignorant and infantile your understanding really is. YOU are part of the problem just as much as "they" are..... for anyone who is ACTUALLY looking hard enough. So it shouldn't come as any surprise that we have grown up children demanding respect while thrusting opinions around as if they're worth anything. You people aren't stupid, you just don't want any responsibility for anything anymore. Another point of reference for why people are just as ridiculous offline as they are online. Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting Aussi
{image} {quote}
All this map has shown is territories that where invaded by USSR
Poland (1939–1956)
Baltic states (1940–1991)
Finnish territories (1940)
Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (1940)
Hungary (1944–1991)
Romania (1944–1958)
Bulgaria (1944–1947)
Czechoslovakia (1944–1945)

And that just in Eastern Europe
Quoting ALThau
{quote} All this map has shown is territories that where invaded by USSR Poland (1939–1956) Baltic states (1940–1991) Finnish territories (1940) Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (1940) Hungary (1944–1991) Romania (1944–1958) Bulgaria (1944–1947) Czechoslovakia (1944–1945) And that just in Eastern Europe
yes that is so true but i ask whats all the red there you explained what happened , war is a sht but there part of russia as you can see clearly unless you want to make up some wokesht , i am not taking anybodys side i am pointing out what the woke will not do , TELL US THE REAL TRUTH FROM HISTORY NO MADE UP SHT
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Quoting Aussi
{quote} yes that is so true but i ask whats all the red there you explained what happened , war is a sht but there part of russia as you can see clearly unless you want to make up some wokesht , i am not taking anybodys side i am pointing out what the woke will not do , TELL US THE REAL TRUTH FROM HISTORY NO MADE UP SHT
Not sure what your point is, but I can tell you as Ukrainian, that most of those areas of red on that map, majority hate Russians with passion becaof of they did on those lands. They are no better than Nazi. Actually they where first to invent concentration camps.
Quoting ALThau
{quote} They are no better than Nazi. Actually they where first to invent concentration camps.
Chicken or the egg situation....Anyway, all concentration camps of any kind are evil and must be
stopped at all cost...........even the ones of 2020..the same guys, the same enemy..
Quoting PeterCaleb
{image}
A has discovered B is a majority of clowns and puppets knowingly following an ancient evil script
with known outcomes....
Quoting PeterCaleb
Once you have &quot;chosen a side&quot;, even if that side is just an opinion, you've just proven how ignorant and infantile your understanding really is. YOU are part of the problem just as much as &quot;they&quot; are..... for anyone who is ACTUALLY looking hard enough. So it shouldn't come as any surprise that we have grown up children demanding respect while thrusting opinions around as if they're worth anything. You people aren't stupid, you just don't want any responsibility for anything anymore. Another point of reference for why people are...
It is a slow trading week, nothing is moving much...
chemosi if your supply and demand trader look at eur cad daily chart
Quoting cowcow1
chemosi if your supply and demand trader look at eur cad daily chart
i have looked EURCAD chart, it is not on my strategy now but thanks...
i am a swing trader, also a sentiment trader...
CADJPY daily chart swing up breakout, the only buy position i have....
Quoting ALThau
{quote} Not sure what your point is, but I can tell you as Ukrainian, that most of those areas of red on that map, majority hate Russians with passion becaof of they did on those lands. They are no better than Nazi. Actually they where first to invent concentration camps.
you poor thing such a nightmare for you having to dig into history
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} i have looked EURCAD chart, it is not on my strategy now but thanks... i am a swing trader, also a sentiment trader... CADJPY daily chart swing up breakout, the only buy position i have....

yeah nice, its a swing move off weekly daily demand zones, be it early watching how price's retesting levels currently. h4 is unclear atm though between buyers and seller dynamics . waiting for price action to confirm who's in control down here then rejoin the overall trend again if seller strength doesn't continue on, better low risk high reward for long position if sellers quit for me. will check out cad/jpy, ta for the insight.is cad/jpy not just a deeper pullback into seller region?

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Quoting cowcow1
{quote} is cad/jpy not just a deeper pullback into seller region?
BOJ tentative future actions would suggest yes....
Quoting Aussi
{quote}you poor thing such a nightmare for you having to dig into history
Bro D leave those trols alone they cant get it anyway they see only what ThEY are allowed to see D
They forgot even who invaded those countries first, and what Soviet army did to nazis in ww2 ... They keep yelling that Soviets invaded them INVADED after They were INVADED and burned . Where is my manners ... I still cant believe how fast ppl forget history
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Quoting Wavegarrick
{quote} I guess you are nobody yet so what makes sense will be out of your scope of understanding. Weird isn't it?
Poor guy. Binary, conceited, and generally ignorant people aren't worth arguing with.
not sure what you mean but from charts perspective monthly and weekly candles shows selling pressure potentially weakening /'profiting' l'd like to see strong weekly finish & close from buyers fighting back and a monthly hl close to help our cause.
Quoting chemosi
{quote} BOJ tentative future actions would suggest yes....

not sure what you mean but from charts perspective monthly and weekly candles shows selling pressure potentially weakening /'from profiting' l'd like to see strong weekly close from buyers fighting back and a monthly hl close to help our cause. wait a watch for clues!!
Quoting cowcow1
{quote} not sure what you mean but from charts perspective monthly and weekly candles shows selling pressure potentially weakening /'from profiting' l'd like to see strong weekly close from buyers fighting back and a monthly hl close to help our cause. wait a watch for clues!!
Also what i meant was watch for clues from Bank of Japan and related fundamentals if you are to trade any JPY pairs...

https://www.xm.com/research/analysis...cisions-176753
"Japan’s inflation picture still unclear
Sticking to the Asia-pacific region, it’s a data heavy week in Japan, with the flurry primarily taking place on Friday. Preliminary industrial production stats, retail sales and the jobless rate, all for February, are on the agenda. But of most interest to investors will likely be the March CPI prints for the Tokyo region, which are seen as a precursor for the nationwide numbers published much later.
"
Quoting turnip15
{quote} Ukraine is F*cked but the Western media would rather ignore the Asia times or other non USA controlled media. However, a peace plan, if accepted now, rewards the UKraine by pointing out to the world that total defeat by Russia was not suffered. That they had thwarted Putins aim of total annexation of the Ukraine. If so then the Ukrainians can be proud of that. However. Continuing the war with the aim of gaining back the whole of the Ukraine would be disaterous for Zelensky et al. He goes not have the manpower or ammo to do so, and Western...
Let's not forget the innocent, I meant normal innocent Ukrainians, who have to pay the debts for corrupted officials for generations to come.

We have not got wars in UK but we have been fcked big time by boris johnson, liz truss and their gang - dont think a Labour government will be any good - all in all, we are all FCKED!
Quoting chemosi
{quote} A has discovered B is a majority of clowns and puppets knowingly following an ancient evil script with known outcomes....
I find the general public are just as much faulty and irresponsible as the leadership. So I would say both A and B are equally responsible for the mess the 21st Century has in front of it. I love it when "the people" conveniently forget that the "clowns" get away with what they do because the people love to talk shit and argue about shit and keep bypassing their responsibilities. Understand yet ?? Every time you people blame the leadership you're shining a big bright light on yourselves. It's because YOU are not vigilant AS citizens that "they" can get away with things. Understand now? The "little people" need to improve their thinking and grow up. Otherwise you invite what you get. Reality Bites.

Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} I find the general public are just as much faulty and irresponsible as the leadership. So I would say both A and B are equally responsible for the mess the 21st Century has in front of it. I love it when "the people" conveniently forget that the "clowns" get away with what they do because the people love to talk shit and argue about shit and keep bypassing their responsibilities. Understand yet ?? Every time you people blame the leadership you're shining a big bright light on yourselves. It's because YOU are not vigilant...
Well, how do you blame a kid being born right now for future irresponsibility that will be as
a result of the current new world order system of indoctrination????...
You can blame people and leadership all you want, but i will blame the system that is so
easily manipulated by the elite at the expense of the little people.
People and leadership are constants, the system is the variable all through the human history...
The current system is inclusive of puppets and clowns....
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} I find the general public are just as much faulty and irresponsible as the leadership. So I would say both A and B are equally responsible for the mess the 21st Century has in front of it. I love it when &quot;the people&quot; conveniently forget that the &quot;clowns&quot; get away with what they do because the people love to talk shit and argue about shit and keep bypassing their responsibilities. Understand yet ?? Every time you people blame the leadership you're shining a big bright light on yourselves. It's because YOU are not vigilant...
If you have a voting system -excercise your vote. No Democracy? Didn't stop the women in Iran fighting oppression, despite dying for their courage in some cases. Yet people in cosy democracies are to lazy to vote or speak out
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
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Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} I find the general public are just as much faulty and irresponsible as the leadership. So I would say both A and B are equally responsible for the mess the 21st Century has in front of it. I love it when "the people" conveniently forget that the "clowns" get away with what they do because the people love to talk shit and argue about shit and keep bypassing their responsibilities. Understand yet ?? Every time you people blame the leadership you're shining a big bright light on yourselves. It's because YOU are not vigilant...
Quoting chemosi
{quote} Well, how do you blame a kid being born right now for future irresponsibility that will be as a result of the current new world order system of indoctrination????... You can blame people and leadership all you want, but i will blame the system that is so easily manipulated by the elite at the expense of the little people. People and leadership are constants, the system is the variable all through the human history... The current system is inclusive of puppets and clowns....
This is where you need to learn thoroughly about context. All of the input you all write here is just a single personal opinion or perspective.

Here's a little tip - PEOPLE created human civilization and human society ... The "system" didn't just manifest into being on its own. So there goes your ability to "blame the system".

When you misuse context you will always end up with poisonous perceptions.

I never said blame re: new born people. I said RESPONSIBILITY. As in --- to BE responsible. NOT -- being HELD responsible/liable ....... that's Context. Sorry if english is someone's second language etc, but there it is, plain as day.

So what you are saying, is merely fueled by "choosing a side" yet not understanding the choice you've made. Not understanding the repercussions that are created from that choice. And so, not understanding how much that leaves you wide open to BE manipulated BY the system. If you give a child ice cream after hitting their little sister repeatedly with a tennis racket, you are reinforcing that attitude and behavior. And ultimately telling the child it's good they did it. But if you choose to discipline that child for being so abusive and teach them why it's unhealthy, then the child learns different things out of that situation. Of course the learning doesn't usually "stick" after the first discipline and talk, but eventually it can. The same applies re: Leadership and "the people". So as I said, context.

People like you, are not seeing and following Societal patterns and trends, you're focusing too much on what's closest to the ground, so you miss the very obvious elements that make up the entire situation. Again, context.

I've come across your type of thinking many times. It's ill-informed and exactly what keeps all the silly attitudes and opinions flying around. It reminds me of 'lynch mob' mentality. You're upset or angry and you need to place those emotions somewhere. Personally, with that type of attitude and mindset, I would never ask you to trade for me nor would I ask you to resolve the issues at hand in the world. Why do I say this? Part of what you do in trading is solve problems NOT create more or new problems. There is a very real difference between making problems vs solving them. Understand?

The other thing most people do, is allow their opinions to "guide" their thinking and perspectives of larger things. This is an enormous error. In this area, you have 2 types so people - the people who are addicted to being stimulated eg. through melodrama and "new information", and the other type are those people who seek to resolve the problem from the ground up. If you were to spend some time to read this a few time then think about what is being said and pointed to, you may then see that the leadership AND the people are feeding off each other..... thus the "system". So as to human civilization and society, it NEEDS A + B together. Therefore both have a part to play in "the system's" sanity or insanity, therefore, "the people" cannot blame the leadership and vice versa because they are the same thing merely in different context. So if you blame the system, the system YOU are part of, then you are really blaming yourself.

Systems do not create themselves. PEOPLE do. And it requires both sides of the equation to "agree to play" that way. Therefore, either you thrive on the drama and bloodshed, or you seek real solutions. Make a choice. Once you have done your research thoroughly, you won't need to worry about useless arguments over "history", because with new context and perspectives, you start to see that "the people" are just as liable for what has been. Their absence of vigilance in a mature and intelligent way, gives rise to the leadership pushing the boundaries toward what they can get away with before being caught, killed or punished. Most people are merely "intellectual students of informational history" but do not go deep enough to see what's really there, hence all these BS threads re: the economy, politics, war etc etc.

You can either be lazy and think all this is just BS, or you can realize, there's a spark of truthfulness in it. Either way you prove what kind of person you are. This is also why the "leadership" don't believe "the people" can self govern ..... you people refuse to learn what you need to and will not grow up .... so they, the leadership, take full advantage of this and will continue to. Now to all "people"who read this .... take a look at yourself in the mirror and tell me you "love' your children etc. I dare the people to lie both to themself and to their children etc.

It's a funny world - those who choose to run and hide from real, real life, are always seen so much clearer. And it's interesting that people conveniently ignore the direct connection between past, present and future. Don't say you care about your family then ignore the situation. That's not love, that's just pure unadulterated bullshit.

People seem to spend 99% of their time on trivial crap yet have the nerve to lie to their children's faces when saying "I love you". If you cannot see the insanity in that, then you're in real trouble.

PS - NONE of this is related to woke/awake/new age etc etc etc ....... it's basic common sense (Has always existed and WILL always exist) with a drop mature thinking and observation work.


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting turnip15
{quote}If you have a voting system -excercise your vote. No Democracy? Didn't stop the women in Iran fighting oppression, despite dying for their courage in some cases. Yet people in cosy democracies are to lazy to vote or speak out
Yes indeed some of that is relevant. The problem people like me, have with all you people is this - you think that talking about the superficial "stuff" gets you any closer to actually understanding anything real. Voting is pointless. Protesting is pointless. Both lead to the same inevitable conclusion .... leniency of relevant ideas and behavior. (Don't believe me ..... go talk to some black people whether they feel "equal") That is all. Yes it has me sad that people die just to gain a single step in decent view or treatment, however, people make a mockery of their sacrifice by talking shit about shit without properly knowing how to contextualize the situation from top down and ground up. Doing it this way the person learns to think in many directions and can see many other things that are not available when "given" the notes on what is important or socially "relevant". I have spoken many times about many of these things. Opinions and mere facts are useless. Personal viewing is what is expected because "the people" are considered - uneducated, unevolved, immature, ignorant ... the list goes on and on. So people keep trying to change or improve things by using the same techniques we all see in human history. That is what has been anticipated.

"The action of the one must align with the truth and so the action of the family will envelope the truth".

You people probably do not know where this quote originated but it is extremely important as it points to Life as People. Ever wondered why divorce rates have gone up? Ever wondered why the level of explicit violence and sex etc in media has continued going up? Ever wondered why worldly politics is seen as "the way" just as the UN is seen this same way? Ever wondered why people don't make the connections to 'old money families'? Ever wondered why people are inundated daily, by tonnes and tones of absolutely useless information? Ever wondered why people don't see urban sprawl and the breaking of family bonds to play a part? There's no conspiracy here. Just basic observations and common sense.

People accept things "as they are" because "X or Y or Z" ..... pick your excuse. Choose your poison.

So I'm sorry but people really need to invert that 99:1 ratio of 99% bullshit information and 1% anything real if they want "things to be better".


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting chemosi
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ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
Quoting turnip15
{quote}If you have a voting system -excercise your vote. No Democracy? Didn't stop the women in Iran fighting oppression, despite dying for their courage in some cases. Yet people in cosy democracies are to lazy to vote or speak out
simplistic when the voting system is rigged in every country and that is fact not fiction
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
Quoting cowcow1
Reading these mixed comments shows humanity is in trouble. Where's your creative thinking and logical approach? ha its all gone and how people cannot decipher between truth fact or fiction. Question EVERYTHING sure a answer might take weeks/months of research back and forth with unbias thinking but it comes, sure its usually debunking old beliefs and thats if you can handle it, work on ones self and those of you who are self-aware see it with clarity and then this noise is mostly opportunity $$. , like come on if the last three years didn't teach...
True, there is ALWAYS another choice, but we are funneled into believing and choosing only from the two choices presented to us by those who think they control everything.
Recently WEF stated that the way to change our behavior is to remove our current choices and replace them with only the other (or the next) choices they want us to choose from. Examples: Remove meat as a choice and replace it with bugs. Remove cash as a choice and replace it with electronic credits disguised at blockchain. All of these next choices they are and will present are only done to weaken and kill us.
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Quoting NotBoris
{quote} Let's not forget the innocent, I meant normal innocent Ukrainians, who have to pay the debts for corrupted officials for generations to come. We have not got wars in UK but we have been fcked big time by boris johnson, liz truss and their gang - dont think a Labour government will be any good - all in all, we are all FCKED!
And, YOU, NotBoris, led everyone into being fcked. Congrats on doing a wonderful job for you handlers. You've earned your 30 pieces of silver.
Once you grow up, you realize that all the stories of what has been and are, are merely a curtain. Children giving speeches at the UN, people applauding and no one sits there and sees, that "to begin a new civilization you first need to destroy the old one then you rebuild on the ruins". The problem is all you people will spend too much time being scared or angry and may miss your window of opportunity to learn what is needed. What is needed is to mature realistically, to see the full picture (to the best of your ability so your information and knowledge becomes real wisdom thus become more mature and objective). You cannot teach based on hatred, only mold people. Once you all are talking about the same thing .... i.e. a proper foundation of understanding and seeing it all, then you're ready to mature and see the landscape as it really is. And only then can the general public arrive at a place where problem solving begins. Crucifying bankers or heads of state etc, is not the way. That's just repeating the mistakes of the past. There's no wisdom there. The greatest 'revenge'/justice is to outmature the system you finally come to see. All other approaches will fail, because you're merely repeating mistakes of your humankind history. People need to stop pretending they understand these things. And stop talking about the curtains and all other silly info and focus on the real solutions.

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Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} Yes indeed some of that is relevant. The problem people like me, have with all you people is this - you think that talking about the superficial &quot;stuff&quot; gets you any closer to actually understanding anything real. Voting is pointless. Protesting is pointless. Both lead to the same inevitable conclusion .... leniency of relevant ideas and behavior. (Don't believe me ..... go talk to some black people whether they feel &quot;equal&quot That is all. Yes it has me sad that people die just to gain a single step in decent view or treatment,...
You wandered way off base but if it makes you feel better -I don't mind
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
Quoting PeterCaleb
Once you grow up, you realize that all the stories of what has been and are, are merely a curtain. Children giving speeches at the UN, people applauding and no one sits there and sees, that "to begin a new civilization you first need to destroy the old one then you rebuild on the ruins". The problem is all you people will spend too much time being scared or angry and may miss your window of opportunity to learn what is needed. What is needed is to mature realistically, to see the full picture (to the best of your ability so your information...
Hanging/banishing to Siberia (a la Stalin) all the malevolent actors is absolutely paramount to mending the whole structure of society.

HOWEVER, this step should be the first one of a series of actions.

After the aforementioned violent part there should placed a very concise and well thought out system of education and re-education (for the adults) which will explain and most importantly SHOW how humans react to various stimuli regarding propaganda, advertising, religion (all the same thing basically) AND how to recognise when one is being subject to the aforementioned stimuli.

This will result in people not losing their fecking mind the monent they see footage like in Bucha for example and decide on the spot that it was the Russians who killed people (there is a photo of dead people laying and right beside them you can see Russian ration packs. Does that tell you anything?)


This is just an example, another example is Bush giving his infamous speech where he explains why he just gave the order to bomb the sh1t out of Baghdad by appealing to the sense of partiotism, fear and security.

The two examples above consitute pure manipulation of the human psyche (and pretty crude manipulation might I add) that people MUST be able to recognise if we are ever to call ourselves free.

P.S: Yes, one can say that you can't inspire people to act without resorting to such tactics and I tend to agree.
In the end, every action we take converges to one parameter : Morality.

If you are invading a country across the ocean just to bolster your MIC or to take control of resources or instill a puppet government then your morality is sketchy at best.

If country A invades country B at it's borders after its' governments repeatedly ignore countrie A's request to NOT join the fecking NATO (and for good reason) then country A can argue that it actually has a case there. (Without mentioning the constant violation of singed treaties that the county B has been committing since its' establishment OR several geonocidal acts like cutting of power and water supplies to vast parts of populated territories).
Quoting PeterCaleb
What is needed is to mature realistically, to see the full picture (to the best of your ability so your information and knowledge becomes real wisdom thus become more mature and objective). You cannot teach based on hatred, only mold people. Once you all are talking about the same thing .... i.e. a proper foundation of understanding and seeing it all, then you're ready to mature and see the landscape as it really is. And only then can the general public arrive at a place where problem solving begins. ..
Maybe tell us on the full picture you are seeing....in a few words of course...
For example Biden,Hunter Biden and related corruptions, most of us have a proper foundation of
understanding and seeing it all...which leads us and takes us to Ukraine and Russia...so how do
we solve this problem?
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} This is where you need to learn thoroughly about context. All of the input you all write here is just a single personal opinion or perspective.

Here's a little tip - PEOPLE created human civilization and human society ... The "system" didn't just manifest into being on its own. So there goes your ability to "blame the system"..
Maybe you can learn important things other than too much literature driven personal opinions...
I am part of the PEOPLE yet i did not create the human civilization nor the society i live in...i was just
INDOCTRINATED into it like everybody else including yourself...
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} I never said blame re: new born people. I said RESPONSIBILITY. As in --- to BE responsible. NOT -- being HELD responsible/liable ....... that's Context. Sorry if english is someone's second language etc, but there it is, plain as day. ..
Then you need to redefine "THE PEOPLE" to fit your context...
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} People like you, are not seeing and following Societal patterns and trends, you're focusing too much on what's closest to the ground, so you miss the very obvious elements that make up the entire situation. Again, context...
People like you are too elementary like a high school psychologist...
I have followed Societal patterns all my life...its basics
You should venture deeper into conspiracy territory to get the full mental brainwashing
the society is undergoing...why is Cashbox comment 131 being censored yet its crystal clear?...
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote}I've come across your type of thinking many times. It's ill-informed and exactly what keeps all the silly attitudes and opinions flying around. It reminds me of 'lynch mob' mentality. You're upset or angry and you need to place those emotions somewhere. Personally, with that type of attitude and mindset, I would never ask you to trade for me nor would I ask you to resolve the issues at hand in the world. Why do I say this? Part of what you do in trading is solve problems NOT create more or new problems. There is a very real difference between...
....
You have never come across a person like me...i am not your average type of categorization ,you
have no clue on my level of intelligence...you only do an imaginative construct...
You have made my Expert Advisor upset and emotional...
Again i am not here to solve your problems , i am here to point at problem makers..Understand?
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} The other thing most people do, is allow their opinions to "guide" their thinking and perspectives of larger things. This is an enormous error. In this area, you have 2 types so people - the people who are addicted to being stimulated eg. through melodrama and "new information", and the other type are those people who seek to resolve the problem from the ground up....
Opinions are just words, cannot guide sh*t...
However, I think 'new information' should guide the thinking of everybody...information addiction is just
another way of telling the people 'you can handle the truth ', although its true some really cant
handle it.
If you are the problem solver, then hurry the f*ck up...
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} You can either be lazy and think all this is just BS, or you can realize, there's a spark of truthfulness in it. Either way you prove what kind of person you are. This is also why the "leadership" don't believe "the people" can self govern ..... you people refuse to learn what you need to and will not grow up .... so they, the leadership, take full advantage of this and will continue to....
Its not BS, there are some wisdom hidden in the context....
The PEOPLE will never learn because they have been INDOCTRINATED to only think a certain way,
but most of us have broken some part of the indoctrination...we see alot of truthfulness in
a lot of conspiracies...where we were told not look...
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote}If you were to spend some time to read this a few time then think about what is being said and pointed to, you may then see that the leadership AND the people are feeding off each other..... thus the "system". So as to human civilization and society, it NEEDS A + B together. Therefore both have a part to play in "the system's" sanity or insanity, therefore, "the people" cannot blame the leadership and vice versa because they are the same thing merely in different context. So if you blame the system, the system YOU are part of, then you are...
Context...context...and more context..
Generalization of 'the people'...
Generalization of 'Leadership'...
The ones pulling the strings, a small minority,who can fall on both categories, will always adore
your thinking...
So, if you have a small brain tumor,you remove it medically.... you dont blame your head or even blame the whole body...
And so it's obvious you people haven't really thought about much at all. That's an inspiring thought.
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Oh please stop with this senseless conversation!! How long will FF let this goes on?
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} Yes indeed some of that is relevant. The problem people like me, have with all you people is this - you think that talking about the superficial "stuff" gets you any closer to actually understanding anything real. Voting is pointless. Protesting is pointless. Both lead to the same inevitable conclusion .... leniency of relevant ideas and behavior. (Don't believe me ..... go talk to some black people whether they feel "equal") That is all. Yes it has me sad that...
Putin, Zelensky, Biden, XI, really do not care if the people have any relevant ideas concerning their leadership and I am sure their predecessors didn't either. It is really not difficult to understand the situations that are taking place between any of these countries or the reasons why.
It is age old at it's root; power, land, resources, influence. No higher learning degree is required to get this, the devilish details are the reasons that people use to take action against others (and discuss). It does not mean all the commoners don't get it.

As far as "equality", for the black people, I am assuming you are talking about the blacks in USA, what they feel is up to them (just like any other human being on the planet). They have the same, if not more opportunity to succeed and create for themselves a life on par/equal with their fellow citizens, IF, they choose to do so. Isn't that what you are railing about; responsibility?

Equality does not mean all will have the same thing or experience the same thing, it means opportunity will be equally available to go after what they envision as a better life. What the individual does with it is up to them.
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
Quoting Bakker
Oh please stop with this senseless conversation!! How long will FF let this goes on?
It's a forum, people talk.
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
Quoting tonyb123
{quote} It's a forum, people talk.
Has nothing to do with trading.
Quoting Bakker
{quote} Has nothing to do with trading.
This is a news article of a current event that can influence trading decisions, that is why it is on this forum. Granted some of the micro conversations are in the woods it is interesting to see the differing views.
What exactly were you hoping to see here?
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
Quoting tonyb123
{quote} This is a news article of a current event that can influence trading decisions, that is why it is on this forum. Granted some of the micro conversations are in the woods it is interesting to see the differing views. What exactly were you hoping to see here?
Hell, that's a long shot to get to a trade. Will make a side note, maybe I'm still around by end 2024 to benefit from this.
Quoting Bakker
{quote} Hell, that's a long shot to get to a trade. Will make a side note, maybe I'm still around by end 2024 to benefit from this.
Hope you are.
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
Quoting tonyb123
{quote} Hope you are.
Thanks Tony
Quoting Bakker
Oh please stop with this senseless conversation!! How long will FF let this goes on?
...maybe i got lost..
I found myself reading literature instead of news and comments with specified geopolitics...
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} People seem to spend 99% of their time on trivial crap yet have the nerve to lie to their children's faces when saying "I love you". If you cannot see the insanity in that, then you're in real trouble....
??? Elementary stuff again...
The best way to tell your kids you love them, is to tell them the truth and i mean the whole
truth...never lie to your kids...
Here in the African jungle, a wildebeest or antelope mother always tells her new born kid
" its bad out here,either you stand up and run or the lion eats you".
Quoting PeterCaleb
Crucifying bankers or heads of state etc, is not the way. That's just repeating the mistakes of the past. There's no wisdom there....
.....
Crucifying should be the least of your worries...
The Epstein crimes and related activities including the persons participants have not fully
been declassified to the PEOPLE...they have only been given a pilot program...wait for when
the heavy stuff comes in...

Untill then,
I will continue to sharpen my pitchfork...
This is the way.
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Quoting bakker
oh please stop with this senseless conversation!! How long will ff let this goes on?
why did you come here seems you wanted to be paart of some sht , and some one pulled your chain and the markets keep going
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
People don't need more information they need better information. Children today have to deal with Grown up children, not many are real adults. All these politicized topics are all the same. They're symptoms. But I love how people want to make it someone else's fault... someone else's "problem". That's a great lesson to teach the children. It's hilarious to watch and see the number of "reasons why" / "reasons" / excuses people come out with. Be it false examination or a witch hunt or a deflection. All VERY good lessons to teach the "children" ..... right? Truly fascinating. Proves just what people are made of. If you have to "try to agree on what the problems are or, worse, point to symptoms and call them "the cause" then you are truly lost. So another great lesson to teach children .... "I'm just smart enough to identify key ingredients in the problem but see no reason to find solutions". Yes, that is intelligent. Just because you're "part of society" doesn't automatically translate to being intelligent.

Decadence in society breeds insanity and cowardice and I see a lot of that around now. Enjoy.
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Learn or justify insanity ........


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To be surrounded by the problem and not do anything about it .... that is societal insanity. To charge after superficial problems/symptoms (eg. power, profit and politics) and classify them as the root cause is insane. To keep yourself "busy" with trivial things and pretend "everything is fine" is truly insane. Your society breeds the same insane thinking. But people do nothing about it. Just "go along to get along" ay?! Some people have thought it through but I see most have not. So learn or don't learn. Just don't sit there and tell people you love your family and friends with a straight face. Agreeing to this kind of society is what got you all in this mess in the first place. Ding! Ding! Ding! HELLO !!! Yes sometimes dropping a building on someone is just not effective enough to help them wake up to themself.
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting Aussi
{quote} why did you come here seems you wanted to be paart of some sht , and some one pulled your chain and the markets keep going
Please use proper English so we can understand what you're try saying.
Is tonights end month going to lack luster or a party?? any guesses??
Quoting CashBox
{quote} And, YOU, NotBoris, led everyone into being fcked. Congrats on doing a wonderful job for you handlers. You've earned your 30 pieces of silver.
ROFL.....is that you 30p Lee?
Quoting Aussi
{quote}you poor thing such a nightmare for you having to dig into history
Wow! That is one truly pathetic response
Quoting ALThau
{quote} Wow! That is one truly pathetic response
yes your right i was held back , if i was tougher you could not take it
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
Quoting Bakker
{quote} Please use proper English so we can understand what you're try saying.
i was being polite as best i could its not my fault you can not read
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
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  • Posted: Mar 21, 2023 1:00am
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