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    From seymourhersh.substack.com

    Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible. There was a vital bureaucratic reason for relying on the graduates of the center’s hardcore diving school in Panama City. The divers were Navy only, and not members of America’s Special Forces Command, whose covert operations must be reported to Congress and briefed in advance ... (full story)

As far as I'm concerned, this article is pure speculation, and frankly, a conspiracy theory.
Stolen elections have consequences.
Quoting Grenadier
Stolen elections have consequences.
If you are serious, I'm kinda embarrassed for you.
Quoting raklian
As far as I'm concerned, this article is pure speculation, and frankly, a conspiracy theory.
Every theory the government doesn't like they call a conspiracy theory. But this time, they even bragged about it beforehand, that they are willing to destroy it.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
Quoting raklian
As far as I'm concerned, this article is pure speculation, and frankly, a conspiracy theory.
Ohh my!!!
I wonder where you were last year when we commented heavily on the Nord Stream Pipeline
topic.
Anyway this article was not submitted by Newsstand....take it or leave it...
Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Every theory the government doesn't like they call a conspiracy theory. But this time, they even bragged about it beforehand, that they are willing to destroy it.
Or anyone who doesn't like what their own government is doing comes up with any theory, no matter how unsubstantiated, to confirm their own biases. Ever think of that, uh?
Quoting chemosi
{quote} Ohh my!!! I wonder where you were last year when we commented heavily on the Nord Stream Pipeline topic. Anyway this article was not submitted by Newsstand....take it or leave it...
I'm certainly leaving it. lol
Here is what Seymour Hersh said today regarding his work:
"I’ve been told my stories were wrong, invented, outrageous for as long as I can remember—but I’ve never stopped. In 2004, after I published the first stories about the torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, a Pentagon spokesman responded by calling my journalism “a tapestry of nonsense.” (He also said I was a guy who “threw a lot of crap against the wall” and “expects someone to peel off what’s real.” I won my fifth George Polk Award for that work.)"
Quoting raklian
{quote} Or anyone who doesn't like what their own government is doing comes up with any theory, no matter how unsubstantiated, to confirm their own biases. Ever think of that, uh?
Or some people are so blind, they can't see the forest for the trees.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Or some people are so blind, they can't see the forest for the trees.
Excellent advice for yourself.
Quoting MariaFNG
Here is what Seymour Hersh said today regarding his work: "I’ve been told my stories were wrong, invented, outrageous for as long as I can remember—but I’ve never stopped. In 2004, after I published the first stories about the torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, a Pentagon spokesman responded by calling my journalism “a tapestry of nonsense.” (He also said I was a guy who “threw a lot of crap against the wall” and “expects someone to peel off what’s real.” I won my fifth George Polk Award for that work.)"
What does that have to do with anything? Past accomplishments have nothing to do with the integrity of one's work today.
Quoting raklian
{quote} Excellent advice for yourself.
Life must be easy, being so naive. Don't leave your bubble.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Life must be easy, being so naive. Don't leave your bubble.
*facepalm*
The thing about Abu Ghraib is we saw the pictures. It was undeniable (and in an age when it wasn't so easy to fake photos). Now, how the hell are we supposed to know what's true and what isn't? However after reading the article, it doesn't seem as far-fetched anymore. I don't know what to think. If Germany was in on it then it's completely feasible.
If USA did sabotage the pipe, it would've had to be with Germany's consent or knowledge beforehand. USA is not stupid to do this alone as that would severely damage ties with Europe. It's a big IF USA did it. So far there is no direct evidence of that.
Quoting raklian
If USA did sabotage the pipe, it would've had to be with Germany's consent or knowledge beforehand. USA is not stupid to do this alone as that would severely damage ties with Europe. It's a big IF USA did it. So far there is no direct evidence of that.
There's no evidence at all just the story by Hersh. But he claims it was done with Chancellor Scholz' approval.
I want to say the USA would never commit an act of war against an ally, but this is a post-Trump world we live in now. Who knows what they'll do, especially before an election year.
Quoting raklian
{quote} Or anyone who doesn't like what their own government is doing comes up with any theory, no matter how unsubstantiated, to confirm their own biases. Ever think of that, uh?
Please dont stop....
I guess now Victoria Nuland is a conspiracy theorist...
Quoting raklian
If USA did sabotage the pipe, it would've had to be with Germany's consent or knowledge beforehand. USA is not stupid to do this alone as that would severely damage ties with Europe. It's a big IF USA did it. So far there is no direct evidence of that.
Avoid shallow reasoning, you are missing a lot of information to fit your puzzle...

"Sweden shuns formal joint investigation of Nord Stream leak, citing national security"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...al-2022-10-14/
Start with the link above and dig deeper...
Ask yourself a very simple question,
What military was present in the area during Nordstream blow up????????
Not even reading this story. Conspiracy theories are winning though by a lot when it comes to Democrat/Biden explanations. Media has given billions worth of cover for Obama/Biden/Ukraine corruption. For Biden/Hunter corruption. For hunter's laptop. For the Russian peepee bs. etc. Akums razor applied to the pipeline puts the Russian pipe cleaner story as the most likely by far. Putin wanted to shut it down. This way he got that plus claiming it was the US. Of course he would still sell the oil because it is after all a world market. Who loses with the pipeline shut down? Ukraine, EU, US, well, the rest of the world other than Russia. Go figure.
Quoting chemosi
{quote} "Sweden shuns formal joint investigation of Nord Stream leak, citing national security" https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...al-2022-10-14/ Start with the link above and dig deeper... Ask yourself a very simple question, What military was present in the area during Nordstream blow up????????
This is precisely how a conspiracy theory is born. You're finding connections that don't exist. You're just asking loaded questions without providing concrete evidence. Maybe you need to check your reasoning.
Quoting raklian
{quote} This is precisely how a conspiracy theory is born. You're finding connections that don't exist. You're just asking loaded questions without providing concrete evidence. Maybe you need to check your reasoning.
you are making my day.....
Its shocking how you cant see a simple answer to a simple question, even if it stares
you in your face...

"Nord Stream Sabotage Was CIA, US Navy Covert Op: Seymour Hersh Bombshell Prompts White House Response"
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-prompts-white
"Biden in February of last year: "There will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it.""

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Quoting chemosi
{quote} you are making my day..... Its shocking how you cant see a simple answer to a simple question, even if it stares you in your face... "Nord Stream Sabotage Was CIA, US Navy Covert Op: Seymour Hersh Bombshell Prompts White House Response" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-prompts-white "Biden in February of last year: "There will be...
You think that's direct evidence USA was involved? If that's your logical reasoning, you would fail the LSAT nor convince any sensible judge in a courtroom. If you can't understand why, you have a long way to go, bud.

If you want to dig deeper into the rabbit hole of conspiracies, be my guest but stay the hell away from my sanity.

*hard cringe while facepalming*
Quoting raklian
{quote} You think that's direct evidence USA was involved? If that's your logical reasoning, you would fail the LSAT nor convince any sensible judge in a courtroom. If you can't understand why, you have a long way to go, bud. *hard cringe while facepalming*
...
Well, you missed a lot on last year geopolitical news...go back to your charts now..

Read the whole Zerohedge article,
we are not in a courtroom dummy,
we are just providing our own opinion in comments.
Face palming is kindergarten stuff....
Quoting raklian
{quote} If you want to dig deeper into the rabbit hole of conspiracies, be my guest but stay the hell away from my sanity.*
It was a take it or leave it discussion...
This is a classic example of why FFNews is poorly regarded by professionals.
A speculative sub-stack story by an otherwise respected investigative journalist but wit only ONE unattributed source. CLASSIC DOG-WHISTLE material for forums like this.

Its a axiom of reputable journalism that credible storys are supported by AT LEAST TWO trusted sources.

Unworthy of serious comment.
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} Ohh my!!! I wonder where you were last year when we commented heavily on the Nord Stream Pipeline topic. Anyway this article was not submitted by Newsstand....take it or leave it...
Do you know WHO submitted it?

Ill not disillusion you with backstory .. lets just say it was submitted by a "Stringer" for Entertainment News on FF.
Bulgarian. Form your own opinion.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} lets just say it was submitted by a "Stringer" for Entertainment News on FF. Bulgarian. Form your own opinion.
Maybe you are right....but opinions will be opinions and stories will be stories regardless
of who submits it...
For me this should not be under Fundamental Analysis Category....
As for Seymour Hersh story, time is telling last year's "..time will tell.." statement.
Plausible now(but not pure speculation), credible later...
"There will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it." " We will take all necessary steps together". Now let's imagine it was Trump who said these words prior to the pipeline being blown up. 2 and 2 would be put together by some without any reasonable question. Some would brand him as reckless, just as Biden was after the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Oh, wait a minute.........
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