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    Now that he owns Twitter, Elon Musk has given employees their first ultimatum: Meet his deadline to introduce paid verification on Twitter or pack up and leave. The directive is to change Twitter Blue, the company’s optional, $4.99 a month subscription that unlocks additional features, into a more expensive subscription that also verifies users, according to people familiar with the matter and internal correspondence seen by The Verge. Twitter is currently planning to charge $19.99 for the new Twitter Blue subscription. Under the current plan, verified users would have 90 days to subscribe or lose their blue ... (full story)

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Should we ask Musk to buy Forex Factory too?
Quoting SunOfBeach
Should we ask Musk to buy Forex Factory too?
Haha Made my day.
Start with 1000$. Increase by 3% every day. After one year 2 213 314$
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"Left-Wing EU Commissioner Warns Musk, "The Bird Will Fly By Our Rules""
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-fly-our-rules
"Musk reportedly has plans to reduce moderation, but such plans may come into conflict with the DSA, which demands platforms partake in what is likely to be aggressive content moderation.

The law is not yet in force, but it is expected to radically restrict free speech in Europe.

“The DSA will be directly applicable across the EU and will apply fifteen months or from 1 January 2024, whichever comes later, after entry into force. As regards the obligations for very large online platforms and very large online search engines, the DSA will apply from an earlier date, that is four months after their designation,” reads the site.

It is unclear what will constitute “hate speech” or “disinformation” or who will be the arbiter of these designations, but for example, the vast majority of fact-checkers working for Facebook in Central and Eastern Europe are funded by billionaire oligarch George Soros, whose money has flowed through nearly every major left-liberal NGO and establishment figure in the West, which means those opposed to mass immigration, restrictions on freedom of speech, or supporters for traditional family values, may find themselves designated as purveyors of “hate speech” and subject to fines or censorship under the DSA"
Bad news for fake news
Quoting Mingary
Bad news for fake news
...and fact checkers are being fact checked... crazy times we live in
Quoting chemosi
"Left-Wing EU Commissioner Warns Musk, "The Bird Will Fly By Our Rules"" https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-fly-our-rules "Musk reportedly has plans to reduce moderation, but such plans may come into conflict with the DSA, which demands platforms partake in what is likely to be aggressive content moderation. The law is not yet in force, but it is expected to radically restrict free speech in Europe. “The DSA will be directly applicable across the EU and will apply...
Do NOT quote zerohedge. that itself is hate speech lol
"...Look for 5:1 RR. I can be wrong 8/10 time yet I'm not gonna lose" PTJ
The new policy will turn twitter into a survival of the fittest company for the staff
Quoting chemosi
"Left-Wing EU Commissioner Warns Musk, "The Bird Will Fly By Our Rules"" https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-fly-our-rules "Musk reportedly has plans to reduce moderation, but such plans may come into conflict with the DSA, which demands platforms partake in what is likely to be aggressive content moderation. The law is not yet in force, but it is expected to radically restrict free speech in Europe. “The DSA will be directly applicable across the EU and will apply...
Freedom of Speech? Bullshit. It radically restricts HATE SPEECH. Freedom of speech is a Right.. and like ALL Rights comes with RESPONSIBILITIES and limitations. Adult World.
I know of no democracy or otherwise civilized country in the world where can you stand in the street and shout slogans and narratives inciting hate and violence against fellow citizens without breaching laws pertaining prevention of public order and "Breach of the Peace".
It is entirely consistent that such civilized societies including those in the EU should extend this principle to Cyberspace.AND ENFORCE IT.
And restrict any media channels that do not manage their streams to prosecute and block any such similar abuses of the Right to Free Speech.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Freedom of Speech? Bullshit. It radically restricts HATE SPEECH. Freedom of speech is a Right.. and like ALL Rights comes with RESPONSIBILITIES and limitations. Adult World. I know of no democracy or otherwise civilized country in the world where can you stand in the street and shout slogans and narratives inciting hate and violence against fellow citizens without breaching laws pertaining prevention of public order and "Breach of the Peace". It is entirely consistent that such civilized societies including those in the EU should...
"It is entirely consistent that such civilized societies including those in the EU should extend this principle to Cyberspace.AND ENFORCE IT."

.. and using a rhetorical YOU (because many people hold this type of opinion) ..
And pray tell who and/or what organization will be the judge of what slogan and / or narrative will be acceptable ? And what will happen to those in breach of your speech regulation, how "cancelled" will they be ?
Will your favorite political party / watch dog committee do the enforcement ?, would you like to make sure it is YOUR slogans and / or YOUR narratives that should prevail (because after all YOU know best)? We would not want to be too authoritarian on this issue, now do we ? or do we ?
Quoting Mingary
{quote} "It is entirely consistent that such civilized societies including those in the EU should extend this principle to Cyberspace.AND ENFORCE IT." .. and using a rhetorical YOU (because many people hold this type of opinion) .. And pray tell who and/or what organization will be the judge of what slogan and / or narrative will be acceptable ? And what will happen to those in breach of your speech regulation, how "cancelled" will they be ? Will your favorite political party / watch dog committee do the enforcement ?, would...
Your ignorance rarely disappoints Ming.
ECHR:
ARTICLE 10
Freedom of expression
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right
shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart
information and ideas without interference by public authority
and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States
from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema
enterprises.
2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it
duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities,
conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and
are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national
security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention
of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for
the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing
the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for
maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Freedom of Speech? Bullshit. It radically restricts HATE SPEECH. Freedom of speech is a Right.. and like ALL Rights comes with RESPONSIBILITIES and limitations. Adult World. I know of no democracy or otherwise civilized country in the world where can you stand in the street and shout slogans and narratives inciting hate and violence against fellow citizens without breaching laws pertaining prevention of public order and "Breach of the Peace". It is entirely consistent that such civilized societies including those in the EU should...
Dear RossEdwarddss of the Ministry of Truth,
As an example above i hear quoting Zerohedge is hate speech
Please explain how i am inciting hate and violence...

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A German journalist living in eastern Ukraine has been sentenced to three years in prison without trial by the German government for interviewing Ukrainian citizens and reporting her findings.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ges-popularity
"Members of the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Left party (Die Linke) are calling for a ban on the conservative Alternative for Germany (AfD) party just as it surges in the polls, raising fears that Germany, which prides itself on being democratic, will attempt to completely ban one of the largest parties in the country."
"
“The next logical thing then is a ban procedure,” the SPD politician stressed. According to Marx, it would also be possible to ban individual state associations.
“AfD’s hatred and agitation must no longer be equated with democratic freedom of expression.”
"
I made no comment on Zerohedge. so I dont know why you are addressing this post to me.

Please Remove your attribution QUOTE.
Im not interested in your playbook Mate.

Go waste your time about ZeroHedge, in responding to someone who gives a toss.
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} Will your favorite political party / watch dog committee do the enforcement ?, would you like to make sure it is YOUR slogans and / or YOUR narratives that should prevail (because after all YOU know best)? We would not want to be too authoritarian on this issue, now do we ? or do we ?...
"I angrily and physically killed rats in my granary . I was not angry for them
poking holes in my sacks of grain, but because RossEdwardss gave me false
narrative that Ukraine were winning in Mariupol. He incited hate and violence with
his false information. As an official of ministry of truth, i would like to ban RossEdwardss from...... "
Lunacy.....
What a revealing post.
Be assured, @Chemosi, that I am writing immediately to the Kenyan Government, Ministry of Rats, to apologise for any inconvenience for inciting Hate and Violence they may have endured at your hands as a result of my comments here.
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Quoting RossEdwards
I made no comment on Zerohedge. so I dont know why you are addressing this post to me. Please Remove your attribution QUOTE. Im not interested in your playbook Mate. Go waste your time about ZeroHedge, in responding to someone who gives a toss.
I too dont give a toss bud,
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Quoting RossEdwards
What a revealing post. Be assured, @Chemosi, that I am writing immediately to the Kenyan Government, Ministry of Rats, to apologise for any inconvenience for inciting Hate and Violence they may have endured at your hands as a result of my comments here.

Okay Okay, you got me there.
Apologies accepted and reciprocated....
Lets end the conversation there, i cannot top or best your post
Quoting Mingary
{quote} "It is entirely consistent that such civilized societies including those in the EU should extend this principle to Cyberspace.AND ENFORCE IT." .. and using a rhetorical YOU (because many people hold this type of opinion) .. And pray tell who and/or what organization will be the judge of what slogan and / or narrative will be acceptable ? And what will happen to those in breach of your speech regulation, how "cancelled" will they be ? Will your favorite political party / watch dog committee do the enforcement ?, would...
I agree with this in principle. On one hand there are laws that do and should restrict freedom of speech (you can't yell "FIRE!!!" in a packed movie theater otherwise panic will cause a stampede). But it seems that when you get on the internet, or social media, those with an entrenched radical agenda have forced their concept of morality (not just sexual but pick any subject that has been attacked) on the regular public. Enter Elon Musk who said one of the main reasons for his purchase of Twitter was because democracy itself was at stake.
Everything easy was hard at first
Quoting chemosi
"Members of the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Left party (Die Linke) are calling for a ban on the conservative Alternative for Germany (AfD) party just as it surges in the polls, raising fears that Germany, which prides itself on being democratic, will attempt to completely ban one of the largest parties in the country.".

Now there's the Germany everyone knows. Those Hitler roots are showing now...taking over a country using a pen
Everything easy was hard at first
Cheap Twat the New Dictator
"...Look for 5:1 RR. I can be wrong 8/10 time yet I'm not gonna lose" PTJ
Quoting ocd
{quote} I agree with this in principle. On one hand there are laws that do and should restrict freedom of speech (you can't yell "FIRE!!!" in a packed movie theater otherwise panic will cause a stampede). But it seems that when you get on the internet, or social media, those with an entrenched radical agenda have forced their concept of morality (not just sexual but pick any subject that has been attacked) on the regular public. Enter Elon Musk who said one of the main reasons for his purchase of Twitter was because democracy itself was...
IMHO Not.
Musk Bought Twitter to ensure that by exacerbating divisions in democracy dialogue is diverted from recognising the manipulation of regulation and accountability by entrenched Corporate and financial interests can continue unfettered in the resulting chaos, and division and to gratify his own narcissistic personality needs.
#Just an Opinion
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Your ignorance rarely disappoints Ming. ECHR: ARTICLE 10 Freedom of expression 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions,...
But, this is not at all what is happening ..

Musk in charge of Twitter is a real sore point for the democrats and the left.
The Biden Administration has been coordinating censorship efforts with Twitter, Facebook Microsoft, big Tech to manipulate public opinion to control narratives on racial Justice, covid, and the election in 2020.
Don't take my word for it. do your own research
"Homeland Security Is Censuring Speech on Social Media"
Quoting Mingary
{quote} But, this is not at all what is happening .. Musk in charge of Twitter is a real sore point for the democrats and the left. The Biden Administration has been coordinating censorship efforts with Twitter, Facebook Microsoft, big Tech to manipulate public opinion to control narratives on racial Justice, covid, and the election in 2020. Don't take my word for it. do your own research "Homeland Security Is Censuring Speech on Social Media"
I have..
And I see that NBC News claims that Homeland Security is launching a warning system that looks for signs of domestic terrorist threats in public social network posts.

Since you oppose this I conclude you clearly have no interest in the security of the United states.
No hypocrisy then in supporting draconian measures against foreigners but OK to oppose any sensible steps to safeguard against Domestic Terrorist Threats?

Like perhaps the recent attempted mob overthrow of the American Government on January 6th?
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} I have.. And I see that NBC News claims that Homeland Security is launching a warning system that looks for signs of domestic terrorist threats in public social network posts. Since you oppose this I conclude you clearly have no interest in the security of the United states. No hypocrisy then in supporting draconian measures against foreigners but OK to oppose any sensible steps to safeguard against Domestic Terrorist Threats? Like perhaps the recent attempted mob overthrow of the American Government on January 6th?
If it's possible for you to set aside your opinion on "Jan 6" , then do you think that a government should be allowed to spy on its citizens and be allowed to act on it ? Even, if somehow the government believes that it's "for the greater good" ? (Perhaps to prevent another "Jan 6" or another "2020 BLM/Antifa riots", or anything that the government perceives as a threat)
If such power is given to a government, how do you then prevent abuses (that I describe in my post and that are real) and the rise of an authoritarian state ?
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} IMHO Not. Musk Bought Twitter to ensure that by exacerbating divisions in democracy dialogue is diverted from recognising the manipulation of regulation and accountability by entrenched Corporate and financial interests can continue unfettered in the resulting chaos, and division and to gratify his own narcissistic personality needs. #Just an Opinion
"And now, Twitter has 'fact-checked' the White House - something one wouldn't normally expect pre-Elon"
Just saying...
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} If it's possible for you to set aside your opinion on "Jan 6" , then do you think that a government should be allowed to spy on its citizens and be allowed to act on it ? Even, if somehow the government believes that it's "for the greater good" ? If such power is given to a government, how do you then prevent abuses (that I describe in my post and that are real) and the rise of an authoritarian state ?
Do you think that Mall operators and Law enforcement should be allowed to spy on their customer traffic using integrated FRT. Do you think Google should be allowed to assemble detailed tracking profiles of your interests preferences and online browsing habits? Do you think Mark or Elon should have complete records of your private life, attitudes friends family, tastes in music sexual preferences and even food preferences?

Its TOO LATE. While you were obscessed with politics and markets, the tech world was moving on , and big business was reaping the most valuable commercial prize of the millenium Ming. DATA. YOUR DATA.

And now I have to read your protesting the assembly by Government agencies charged to prevent Terrorism of data, which daily saves lives and helps control Domestic Terrorism which is THE single biggest Terrorist Threat to every man woman and child in the country. You make a good point about regulating that collection process. But whos having an intelligent conversation about that? You?
That can only happen with strong democratic institutions. Which the division rampant in the US appears determined to destroy. Checkmate.
Dont make me laugh.
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} "And now, Twitter has 'fact-checked' the White House - something one wouldn't normally expect pre-Elon" Just saying... {image}
And THAT is your response to the issues I raised?
INTELLECTUALLY AWESOME.
Back to the Granary.. Another Bad day for Rats pending.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Do you think that Mall operators and Law enforcement should be allowed to spy on their customer traffic using integrated FRT. Do you think Google should be allowed to assemble detailed tracking profiles of your interests preferences and online browsing habits? Do you think Mark or Elon should have complete records of your private life, attitudes friends family, tastes in music sexual preferences and even food preferences? Its TOO LATE. While you were obscessed with politics and markets, the tech world was moving on , and big business was...
It's bad enough that tech corporations collect personal data. It's bad enough that we are ever moving closer to a "social credit score system" -- like people losing their jobs or not getting a job because of "wrongthink"
But my question to you was: should a government be allowed to keep tabs on its citizens and act on the information as they see fit.
Your response that I can make out is: YES
It would seem to me that you are not well informed on the subject of dystopia.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} And THAT is your response to the issues I raised? INTELLECTUALLY AWESOME. Back to the Granary.. Another Bad day for Rats pending.
awesome indeed. Its right in your economics whatever intellect expertise..inflation..
The rats are all dead(with adjustment to inflation..), thank you very much for your help
Quoting Mingary
{quote} It's bad enough that tech corporations collect personal data. It's bad enough that we are ever moving closer to a "social credit score system" -- like people losing their jobs or not getting a job because of "wrongthink" But my question to you was: should a government be allowed to keep tabs on its citizens and act on the information as they see fit. Your response that I can make out is: YES It would seem to me that you are not well informed on the subject of dystopia.
He is suffering from Mass formation Psychosis like many others as a
result of reading too much one sided news and information....but please encourage
him to post more...screenshot his posts...they will be gold later on
Quoting chemosi
{quote} awesome indeed. Its right in your economics whatever intellect expertise..inflation.. The rats are all dead, thank you very much for your help
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Well, a lot to do about nothing!

Elon Musk will do what Elon Musk will do. Sink or swim, his life decisions are his own to make.....we should all be so free.

For our part, we are likely to be best off tending to our own business and avoiding the forays created by the zealots.
Well they have to take some stance, The huge money they might have been forced to donate has to come back from somewhere........
Quoting chemosi
{quote} He is suffering from Mass formation Psychosis like many others as a result of reading too much one sided news and information....but please encourage him to post more...screenshot his posts...they will be gold later on
I love how folk with SFA psychological qualifications throw about pseudoPsycological terms picked up on their Google adventures and replay in serious exchanges. “Mass formation psychosis” is not an academic term recognized in the field of psychology, nor is there evidence of any such phenomenon occurring during the COVID-19 pandemic,. This was the conclusion of multiple authorities in crowd psychology conveyed to a recent Reuters Fact Check.
But Hey you guys just rock on in delusion-land. Inventing conditions and peddling them to folk who couldnt care less anyway.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} I love how folk with SFA psychological qualifications throw about pseudoPsycological terms picked up on their Google adventures and replay in serious exchanges. “Mass formation psychosis” is not an academic term recognized in the field of psychology, nor is there evidence of any such phenomenon occurring during the COVID-19 pandemic,. This was the conclusion of multiple authorities in crowd psychology conveyed to a recent Reuters Fact Check. But Hey you guys just rock on in delusion-land. Inventing conditions and peddling them to folk who...
Did you just say.."conclusion of multiple authorities in crowd psychology conveyed to a recent Reuters Fact Check".......
It is a good day indeed..
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} "I angrily and physically killed rats in my granary . I was not angry for them poking holes in my sacks of grain, but because RossEdwardss gave me false narrative that Ukraine were winning in Mariupol. He incited hate and violence with his false information. As an official of ministry of truth, i would like to ban RossEdwardss from...... " Lunacy.....
You obviously missed taking your MedsAGAIN this evening..
Never mind.. Nobody will notice your rants anyway..

BTW hows the weather there WHERE YOU ARE there in Kenya..
And how are the RATS in your granary?

The Official 𝗠𝘆 𝗖𝗵𝗲𝗺𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹 𝗥𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 Site..
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} You obviously missed taking your MedsAGAIN this evening.. Never mind.. Nobody will notice your rants anyway.. BTW hows the weather there WHERE YOU ARE there in Kenya The Official 𝗠𝘆 𝗖𝗵𝗲𝗺𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹 𝗥𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 Site.. {image}
RossEdwardssss walks into a bar with a pile of steaming s*hit in his hand, and says, "Hey, look what I almost stepped in".
Quoting chemosi
{quote} RossEdwardssss walks into a bar with a pile of steaming s*hit in his hand, and says, "Hey, look what I almost stepped in".
Yeah.. now thats more like it mate..
THATS your REAL calling in life
STAND-UP COMIC.



Hows the weather WHERE YOU ARE IN KENYA?
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Hows the weather WHERE YOU ARE IN KENYA?
/Endof.. a complete FRAUD. Nice One.
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Quoting RossEdwards
/Endof.. a complete FRAUD. Nice One.
Had to give you something for your ego...plausability...End of too
Quoting Mingary
Bad news for fake news
Exactly the opposite.

Like traitor and conman Dumpy, Elon Musk has a long history of blunt lying, massiv exaggeration. One of his greatest skills is manipulation of public perception of himself, his companies and the products and services they sell - he is a good marketer, maybe manipulator is a more accurate label, but if you just dig a little bit deeper it is absolutly obvious he is not a good engineer and not the genius he claims to be.

He employs good engineers producing results in some of his companies, no doubt about that, but he himself isn't one, not even close, but he loves to claim their work and results as his own, which is ridiculus. Most telling for me was his neuralink white paper..... it tells you all you need to know.

Rates are rising and business models based on deception and promises starting to come under pressure. Musk certainly didn't buy twitter because he is concerned about free speech or democracy. He bought it as a tool for his personal marketing and interface toward his cult like followers. It's essential for him to control this channel.... so much he paid 40 billions for it. He knew its not only essential to him, there are others he could capitalize on massively if he provides such service like the crypto industry, the GOP, Trump and MAGA an all other enterprises that based their business model on lies combined with cheap money.

His actions immediately after his purchase clearly show how he will reshape twitter towards a personal mass programming tool he would so much love to own.

Likely he realized that what he wanted to do with Neuralink is already done much more efficiently with software like Twitter, if it gets completely rid of content moderation. Program the masses with tiny bits of targeted false or misleading pieces of information to manipulate them step by step in an intendented direction. A massive amount of money combined with the reach of twitter in the hands of an other not so stable "genius" is in my opinion a terrible combination and the fallout will be massive if not addressed early on.

The massive deployment of false and misleading information does not help free speech, it kills it in the long run. Same is true if you use satire as a camouflage for lying, gaslighting, manipulation. It's the classic propaganda approach to indirectly suppress free speech by undermining it with so much crap and bullshit in the name of free speech that 30-40 % of a population is severly hindered to differentiate between what is real and true and what is made up and false.

There are enough studies on this topic that show propaganda and manipulation techniques work and can be used to undermine truth and common sense in a significant portion of the public. It is with us since decades, but the speed, the massive reductions in cost through autmatisation, the massive increase in reach and even specific targeting of individuals with individual content and AI makes it much more effecitve.

Therefore it is absolutly necessary that lying to manipulate needs to have conseqences.

There is a huge difference between having an opinion about a topic and lying to manipulate. Those working on this field of manipulation like you Mingy love to claim that restricting the free spreading of lies is harming free speech. It exactly the other way around.

The continous existence of retail forex trading is a good example to prove the point I try to make here. Even if people have direct feedback in their account that what they are doing harms them, they continue to chase the carrots in front of their mouth deployed 24/7 by those who benefit from their stupidity.

Companies that spread lies for money, clicks and attention and monetize on it should be hindered to do so. Their business models have to be changed by regulation and hefty fines that it doesn't pay to deploy such strategies. If democracies fail to do so, they soon will be transformed in autocracies.

In America we will see the results in 2024..... but it will be a global problem.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Exactly the opposite. Like traitor and conman Dumpy, Elon Musk has a long history of blunt lying, massiv exaggeration. One of his greatest skills is manipulation of public perception of himself, his companies and the products and services they sell - he is a good marketer, maybe manipulator is a more accurate label, but if you just dig a little bit deeper it is absolutly obvious he is not a good engineer and not the genius he claims to be. He employs good engineers producing results in some of his companies, no doubt about that, but he himself...
Looks like TDS is being replaced with MDS... truly hilarious.
On a serious note, some strange behaviors have been reported with people having TDS (rolling on the floor screaming, howling at the sky, loud screeching, and having tourette like symptoms with a sudden burst of nonsense insults)
I dread to imagine what it would be like to have both TDS and MDS, that would be an immediate mental breakdown, reducing the afflicted to a vegetable state.
.. so you be careful now, ok ?
Deflection by Mingy.... not a single argument. Your getting old and blunt. Probably a result of social isolation due to toxic behaviour and ongoing alcohol abuse. Your world is crumbling down, isn't it?
Quoting HudithePfupf
Deflection by Mingy.... not a single argument. Your getting old and blunt. Probably a result of social isolation due to toxic behaviour and ongoing alcohol abuse. Your world is crumbling down, isn't it?
Cenk, is that you ?
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