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Interesting, Lets see if he can make it stick
He is putting everyone on his knees. Turn away.
Quoting MaverickCT
Interesting, Lets see if he can make it stick
there s people who can and others that can't. We cannot, he can.
Maybe Usd safe heaven now, with rate hike again in near terms.
Quoting Luxyus
{quote} there s people who can and others that can't. We cannot, he can.
Maybe, but it is almost spring, so heating will soon fall away and the gas storage has been topped up so maybe his timing is a little late
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} Maybe, but it is almost spring, so heating will soon fall away and the gas storage has been topped up so maybe his timing is a little late
it is not only about heatin .... the industrial need is much much more higher
anjing
Quoting BaliBoyz80
Maybe Usd safe heaven now, with rate hike again in near terms.
No my friend, Yen has surpassed USD long ago as safe haven.
Putin is like a cat on a hot tin roof. Ha! Ha!
The kicks of a dying horse.
Quoting hkg_paul
{quote} it is not only about heatin .... the industrial need is much much more higher
Well the europeans are now between a rock and a hard place. They either capitulate or they dig in
Let's wait and see., but if russia stops the supply then they will be in breach of the current contract which could carry a heavy penalty
Vlad trying to flex on E.U lol
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} Maybe, but it is almost spring, so heating will soon fall away and the gas storage has been topped up so maybe his timing is a little late

How much gas storage does Europe have?
EU storage is around 26% full
because ruble became goldbacked... and now is problem because euro/dollar is worthless paper
Quoting Steven1
{quote} How much gas storage does Europe have? EU storage is around 26% full
can't answer you exactly, I saw a much higher figure but I can't find the reference now
We will just have to wait and see what the EU does
Quoting pridolfx
because ruble became goldbacked... and now is problem because euro/dollar is worthless paper
LOL, you have been reading to much Tass.com
When you have the Manchurian Potatoe Puppet running your government, you're bound to lose it all. All Americans say it together now "Bye, bye good times, here comes the results of letting criminals steal an election."
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} can't answer you exactly, I saw a much higher figure but I can't find the reference now We will just have to wait and see what the EU does

German Economy Minister and Vice-Chancellor Robert Habeck on Wednesday triggered the early warning level for gas supplies as Moscow continues to demand to be paid in rubles.

This move is the first of three warning levels, and it entails the creation of a crisis team in his office to deal with stability of the country's gas supply. Germany's gas storage is currently filled to about 25% capacity, Habeck said
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} LOL, you have been reading to much Tass.com
i think you too much watch fake mainstream media tv
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Europe will experience a difficult time due to oil and gas dependence. All of these problems were created mainly by Angela Merkel and Macron, which could be influenced by Putin.

But whether the value of a nation will be at stake only for the need for oil and gas. If it happens then Europe has been colonized by Russia indirectly. Europe has been trapped, if oil and gas are more valuable than nationalism of each European Union.

The European Union must get out of the dependence of Russian oil and gas. Whatever the way, because Putin's trap is very cruel.
If europe and other accept to pay in rubble, other will want be paid in theyr currencies, so...this is a real economic nuke..
What happens now about oil and gas, like a two-edged sword ... putin fishing so that the European Union is affected into a Putin allies ... Second ... Putin challenges for war with the European Union ... both are not choices ...... there must be a way out .... Putin is crazy ... and the strategy is not a strategy from a great leader ... the world must unite against Putin
It is better to suffer one or two years, rather than following the dictator leader like Putin only for oil and gas ... the Russian people who will suffer in the hands of Putin
Quoting hesron
What happens now about oil and gas, like a two-edged sword ... putin fishing so that the European Union is affected into a Putin allies ... Second ... Putin challenges for war with the European Union ... both are not choices ...... there must be a way out .... Putin is crazy ... and the strategy is not a strategy from a great leader ... the world must unite against Putin
its all planned to destroy world economy and reset world with gesara
Quoting eleste
If europe and other accept to pay in rubble, other will want be paid in theyr currencies, so...this is a real economic nuke..
LONDON, March 31. /TASS/. Sanctions imposed by Western countries against Russia could lead to fragmentation of the global financial system and dilute the US dollar’s dominance in it, Gita Gopinath, the IMF’s first deputy managing director has warned.
Quoting hesron
Europe will experience a difficult time due to oil and gas dependence. All of these problems were created mainly by Angela Merkel and Macron, which could be influenced by Putin. But whether the value of a nation will be at stake only for the need for oil and gas. If it happens then Europe has been colonized by Russia indirectly. Europe has been trapped, if oil and gas are more valuable than nationalism of each European Union. The European Union must get out of the dependence of Russian oil and gas. Whatever the way, because Putin's trap is very...
yea.. it's time to convert buffalo's shit into gas. LoL
Watch the USD/Yen as we speak!!
So much entrenched political shouting here. My view: Russia definitely has a lot of fossil fuels and in particular here the main focus is Natural Gas/Methane. But it doesn't produce cash of ANY sort unless it's pumped to or used by the customer. It's not going by Nordstream 2. That's now a white elephant. But a massive part of the Russian gas Supply infrastructure is lined up to supply Europe, only. One can't suddenly lay down a new pipeline to other customers. It'll take time and probably much slower than Europe seems to be intent on setting up alternative supplies and alternative energy sources. So, as Russia needs the cash, desperately, even if only to lay down new infrastructure, it has to keep supplying as much as it can to Europe, for now, anyway. The issue is only about how it's be paid for and that's where the poker game lies.
Quoting Mitiblotch
The kicks of a dying horse.
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble but Putin isn't close to your above description.

1. Putin has the energy and Europe, especially Germany, doesn't. Open those accounts and buy rubbles or go without. ie., Take it or Leave it

2. Sanctions won't hurt Putin or his croonies, just the Russian people and particulary the working poor. Soon there will be no more Big Macs or iphones to be purchased and that will cause unrest but I am sure that Vlad has alternative products (Korean food and LG phones)

3. Ukraine can not win this war - they don't have the manpower or weapons - PERIOD. End of discussion. The ONLY way to get Putin out of Ukraine is when Putin decides to leave or he is removed from office (your choice). Until then this will be a protracted war and the only thing that will increase is civilian casulaties.

4. The harder the West applies sanctions the more Putin digs in. Remember he has nukes and if cornered what is to stop him from using them?

No Putin is not a dying horse but rather like a wounded rhino - capable of much damage
Quoting MaverickCT
{quote} Well the europeans are now between a rock and a hard place. They either capitulate or they dig in Let's wait and see., but if russia stops the supply then they will be in breach of the current contract which could carry a heavy penalty
Putin is at WAR with Ukraine and the rest of the world has turned on him. Do you REALLY think a "heavy penalty" is going to matter to him?
Quoting hesron
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Yes, I also saw what looks like a double bottom, but it depends on how much they manipulate it
Quoting fxsport
{quote} Putin is at WAR with Ukraine and the rest of the world has turned on him. Do you REALLY think a "heavy penalty" is going to matter to him?
Depends on how his resources hold out and what other penalties they impose as a result
Tomorrow , as it is 1st of April or soon will tell
[quote=pridolfx;13952753]{quote} i think you too much watch fake mainstream media

You got that right.
Some of these people are so brainwashed they no longer can think for themselves.
Quoting fxsport
{quote} I hate to be the one to burst your bubble but Putin isn't close to your above description
Very well said.
This is a smart move I must admit. Curious to what eu countries response will be.
Quoting hanzohas
This is a smart move I must admit. Curious to what eu countries response will be.
They will bend over and take it....They don't have a choice; it's their bed, they made it and now they have to sleep with the enemy.
If he stops supplying Europe wheres is he going to sell the Western Siberian gas?
1. western country's use the financial system as a weapon
2. payment in Ruble as Long-Term plan
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The Russian central bank pegged 1 gram of gold to 5000 Rubles (currently, about 50 bucks).

At the same time, Putin made it so that Russian gas and oil can only be purchased in Rubles.

Meaning: Putin basically just pegged Russian oil and gas to gold, using paper rubles as a proxy.

Meaning: Europe will need to either buy Rubles from Putin in gold, in order to buy gas and oil, or they will have to buy directly in gold. Which means, there will soon be a lot more demand for rubles. ( No more printing free money ...lol)

Currently, the forex rate for rubles to dollars is about 100:1.

But... with 5000 rubles now equaling 1 gram of gold, and oil being priced directly in gold - you're going to see a massive price disruption in these FOREX markets, in terms of how much gold a dollar can actually still buy.

Foreign countries holding US dollar debt notes in reserve will see less of a use for them, and will want to start dumping them, in order to get something more stable, something which holds its value.

Basically any currency pegged to gold now will fit the bill.
Which means those countries - countries like Japan - will be dumping their dollar debt as fast as they can.
They're are NOT going to go down with the ship.
And they will move into more stable currencies - like the Ruble.

Which will have a deflationary effect on the Ruble, making it more valuable over time.

Which means Putin will be able to re-peg the Ruble to Gold at whatever rate he wants, down the line. It's 5000 rubles today. Tomorrow, it might be 500. And then 100. And then 10.

This also means all those excess dollars being dumped by foreign nations are about to come home and cause even worse hyperinflation than we're seeing.

Is it any wonder Biden is up on stage pleading with Europeans for regime change in Russia?
He's about to have masses of angry and starving people marching through the streets here at home, demanding answers.

Thinking of buying more Rubles next week,,,,
What they will do is to engage an intermediary, i.e. non-sanctioned Gazprombank, who will get EUR/USD from buyers, convert into RUB, deposit rubles to ruble accounts and pay rubles to suppliers. Nothing will really change, the contracts will continue to be paid in EUR/USD by the buyers, but Mr. Put In will have his rubles for propaganda purposes.
Quoting MoneyZilla
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Since Rubles pegged to gold now.............
Every single time a nation tries to go to the gold standard, the USA blows them up.
This explains a lot.
Quoting Pat Chiko
{quote} Since Rubles pegged to gold now............. Every single time a nation tries to go to the gold standard, the USA blows them up. This explains a lot.
Current floor that Russia has put in is sitting at around $1750 per Oz. Of course, this will change depending on what the Ruble does. If the Euro nations are going to be forced to buy it, I guess it increases in value.
Quoting Pat Chiko
{quote}... Every single time a nation tries to go to the gold standard, the USA blows them up. This explains a lot.
Libya try that in 2011

Quoting Pat Chiko
The Russian central bank pegged 1 gram of gold to 5000 Rubles ...
great post
Quoting MoneyZilla
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Waiting for the time to happen.........

The ruble-to-gold standard was announced on March 4th, and very quietly!

What does it all mean?
Time for another petrodollar war.
When Saddam Hussein went off the petrodollar, what happened?
Iraq war 2 and Hussein was hung.

When Ghaddafi said he was making a gold-backed currency, what happened?
He was murdered and dragged through the street, and Killary laughed about it.


So Money Zilla, when are getting a Russian bride?
RIP: US Federal Reserve Note
Quoting Jugoslavija
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Go ahead, keep believing... once again: we are not talking about selling gas for rubles. In fact, it will, as before, be sold for foreign currency, but exporters will be deprived of their foreign currency earnings, Gazprombank will sell it at auction and transfer rubles to the exporters.
Quoting Pat Chiko
{quote} Waiting for the time to happen......... The ruble-to-gold standard was announced on March 4th, and very quietly! What does it all mean? Time for another petrodollar war. When Saddam Hussein went off the petrodollar, what happened? Iraq war 2 and Hussein was hung. When Ghaddafi said he was making a gold-backed currency, what happened? He was murdered and dragged through the street, and Killary laughed about it. So Money Zilla, when are getting a Russian bride? RIP: US Federal Reserve Note
it is really very good that someone with a high authority like you is telling the visible truth, at least!

Saddam and Ghaddafi were removed from power for the exact reasons you did mention! There might be some other reasons we are not aware about, but the major reason is they both played high risk with the USD. Trying to replace it, at least Ghaddafi, like the rouble is doing it now.

Keep in mind, we are all humans. Thus we are entirely stupid. Replacing the USD with the RUB is not the solution, as we will see the bad side of the Russians, the same way we see the bad side of the British Empire (they present it to us as USA. USA is just the soldier.). The arab nations know better than me about that...

About the Russian brides? LOL! Russian women are with 10 mil more than the Russian men!

You just need to go to Russia and they will eat you alive! In a very good way!:-)))

Just waiting my wife to kick me out of the house and I am going to Russia to meet my true love! LOL!:-)))
Quoting efraim.sokol
{quote} Go ahead, keep believing... once again: we are not talking about selling gas for rubles. In fact, it will, as before, be sold for foreign currency, but exporters will be deprived of their foreign currency earnings, Gazprombank will sell it at auction and transfer rubles to the exporters.
Previously Roubles were hot potatoes,nobody wanted them,nobody supported Rouble,not even Russian government.Now it is the opposite, in Russia exporters and the government will hold Roubles ,not Eur or Usd.
Quoting hesron
It is better to suffer one or two years, rather than following the dictator leader like Putin only for oil and gas ... the Russian people who will suffer in the hands of Putin
Suffer 1 or 2 years??? Have you tried living without gas and oil for 1 or 2 DAYS? Ever tried cooking your meals with a candle
Quoting MoneyZilla
... Ghaddafi were removed from power for the exact reasons you did mention! There might be some other reasons we are not aware about, but the major reason is they both played high risk with the USD. Trying to replace it, at least Ghaddafi,...
with Gaddafi: France started than US & GB join in destroying country.

they have oil, fresh water and 143 tons of gold
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worst thing that they do is destroying "Man Made River" leaving people without fresh water and agriculture.
once upon time it was green - how it look today
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Quoting Pat Chiko
{quote} Waiting for the time to happen......... The ruble-to-gold standard was announced on March 4th, and very quietly! What does it all mean? Time for another petrodollar war. When Saddam Hussein went off the petrodollar, what happened? Iraq war 2 and Hussein was hung. When Ghaddafi said he was making a gold-backed currency, what happened? He was murdered and dragged through the street, and Killary laughed about it. So Money Zilla, when are getting a Russian bride? RIP: US Federal Reserve Note
I guess Russia through years accumulated a lot of gold, a lot of palladium, a lot of anything valuable.
to get the ability to change world monetary system.

and PUTIN is playing on sensitive nerve of EUROPE (for example Germany rejected some US demands)
German remember TRUMP word "They must pay for defense"
Quoting prozor7
{quote} with Gaddafi: France started than US & GB join in destroying country. they have oil, fresh water and 143 tons of gold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qp...oInternational worst thing that they do is destroying "Man Made River" leaving people without fresh water and agriculture. once upon time it was green - how it look today {image}
Are French thieves without any bit of ethic?
do they realy stole GOLD like night . . .
Quoting Macd-rsi
{quote} Are French thieves without any bit of ethic? do they realy stole GOLD like night . . .
I really can't say what is the status of Libya gold reserve - never search for that info
destroying water in desert is the bigger crime than ... can't compare with anything

regarding Trump he was bragging in interview few days ago about "They must pay for defense" that they pay
Quoting RossEdwards
If he stops supplying Europe wheres is he going to sell the Western Siberian gas?
China, India, Pakistan, SE Asia. The silk road also point east.
Quoting Pat Chiko
The Russian central bank pegged 1 gram of gold to 5000 Rubles (currently, about 50 bucks). .....rubles. ( No more printing free money ...lol) Currently, the forex rate for rubles...
When Russia went into Ukraine: 1usd = 153rub (spike)
Now: 84.50rub
I cannot trade EURRUB nor USDRUB on forex.com.....blocked for more than a week now.
Quoting Pat Chiko
{quote} Waiting for the time to happen......... The ruble-to-gold standard was .....the street, and Killary laughed about it. So Money Zilla, when are getting a Russian bride? RIP: US Federal Reserve Note
These were facts omitted by the MSM back then.
Quoting prozor7
{quote} with Gaddafi: France started than US & GB join in destroying country. they have oil, fresh water and 143 tons of gold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_qp...oInternational worst thing that they do is destroying "Man Made River" leaving people without fresh water and agriculture. once upon time it was green - how it look today {image}
Mostly gone now. Their terrorist proxies are controlling most of it.
What happened to Khaddaffi's BILLIONS that went "missing back in 2018? It wasn't held in bitcoin (as the banks would try to convince us the criminals would use).
Western Europe is screwed
Time to buy a wood stove for next winter.
Quoting Macd-rsi
{quote} I guess Russia through years accumulated a lot of gold, a lot of palladium, a lot of anything valuable. to get the ability to change world monetary system. and PUTIN is playing on sensitive nerve of EUROPE (for example Germany rejected some US demands) German remember TRUMP word "They must pay for defense"
You don't need to guess. You just need to use google "Russia Gold reserves" click images and you will see that Russia is now #5 in the list of gold reserve countries - just a few ounces shy of Italy and France. If Russia gets hands on another 150T - even from local production is fine - Russia will be #3.
Putin was constantly building up his gold reserves from just ~600T in 2010 to 2300T recently.
Quoting Mingary
Western Europe is screwed Time to buy a wood stove for next winter.
I was thinking to sell my IKEA 60m2, two bedroom house - never used, but now???
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There is nothing more pitiable than the Enthusiastic FooL
April 1st. Its your day @Gespiri.
Quoting Grenadier
When you have the Manchurian Potatoe Puppet running your government, you're bound to lose it all. All Americans say it together now "Bye, bye good times, here comes the results of letting criminals steal an election."
No one stole an election. What rock have you been hiding under while that was proven hundreds of times over?
Quoting fxsport
{quote} I hate to be the one to burst your bubble but Putin isn't close to your above description. 1. Putin has the energy and Europe, especially Germany, doesn't. Open those accounts and buy rubbles or go without. ie., Take it or Leave it 2. Sanctions won't hurt Putin or his croonies, just the Russian people and particulary the working poor. Soon there will be no more Big Macs or iphones to be purchased and that will cause unrest but I am sure that Vlad has alternative products (Korean food and LG phones) 3. Ukraine can not win this war - they...
Wrong on so many levels it isn't worth to answer - fubar.
I like the "Korean food".... you mean "north korean food", don't you?

Why don't all you Putin lovers and MAGA nut jobs in this thread emigrate to Russia.... I mean they have already a declining population and recently they give their best to fuck up their demography even more and get rid of the their young men between 20 - 30..... so you all would fit in nicely and your parents would be glad to have their cellars and garages back.
Quoting Mingary
Western Europe is screwed Time to buy a wood stove for next winter.
..... buy three of them. If "election loss deniers" burn through wood at the rate they burn through their money trading retail forex I fear one alone won't do the job.
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Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} ..... buy three of them. If "election loss deniers" burn through wood at the rate they burn through their money trading retail forex I fear one alone won't do the job.
Looks like someone called the damage control officer so we can all be edified with the "correct message".
You promised trump would already be in jail by now.
You promised, please do something about it. It's getting embarrassing for you;
https://www.forexfactory.com/news/11...n#post13961828
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Looks like someone called the damage control officer so we can all be edified with the "correct message". You promised trump would already be in jail by now. You promised, please do something about it. It's getting embarrassing for you;
Never "promised"..., because it would be completly nonsense to promise such a thing. But this is a critial test regarding....

1 No one is above the law
2 The US justice system still works (even highly unefficient and far worse than other developed countries)
3 Jury trials are still possible in the US where 50% of the population is either completly nuts, anti science, religously distorted and/or corrupt and go even with the most stupid lies as long as their personal interests are served. (I personally think it's not - but still hope to be proven wrong)

Most don't understand how critical this point is. If Trump isn't convicted of the already proven crimes (all evidence needed is already public), global investors should acknoledge that the US is in regards to justice a failed state. Corruption will thrive - fair competition will vanish over time.

Garland should at least give justice a change. If a Jury is corrupt enough to ignore facts, hard evidence and fail to convict, that would not be his fault, but if he cowardly avoids a trial just behause he fears there will be locked jury or mistrail, because of likely about 50% of Trump supporters in any jury, he isn't the right man for this job. They also shouldn't pack everything into one case.... file seperate cases for all his criminal offences and one will finally stick and do the job.

At this point I still think there are enough smart and decent US citizens to realize what is at stake and act accordingly. If the shit hits the fan most people will learn it the hard way and come to realize they made a giant mistake - again. At this point, their ignorant and egoistic thinking will have a very high price tag, because it requires a significant negative event - much worse than Jan. 6 - to finally trigger a change. If you suffer enough, you start to ask the right questions and stop to eat Dumpy's bullshit and lies.
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Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Never "promised"..., because it would be completly nonsense to promise such a thing. But this is a critial test regarding.... 1 No one is above the law 2 The US justice system still works (even highly unefficient and far worse than other developed countries) 3 Jury trials are still possible in the US where 50% of the population is either completly nuts, anti science, religously distorted and/or corrupt and go even with the most stupid lies as long as their personal interests are served. (I personally think it's not - but still...
You seem a bit behind on current events.. You are so 2019..
In a sentence here and there I thought you were writing about Biden ...
So it's "nonsense" now ? not too long ago, your party line and propaganda was to claim it is a "sure thing".
"Jan 6" will soon join the many other hoaxes on that crowded shelf; like the "fine people hoax", the "drinking bleach hoax", the "russian collusion hoax" and many others. Looks like you missed all that. Do you know for instance that BLM is being disredited and disowned .. by the left ? Do you even keep up with TYT.COM ?
Biden and his cohort (Clinton / Obama) are the real criminals, currently busy bringing the world closer to WW III (You should be happy to see that the transfer of power from Fauci to Zelenski went well)
More fear mongering and saber rattling will allow the Biden clan to stay in power (and also good for business and a great distraction to hide the real situation) ... so they think, because it works so well on a gullible population..
Quoting Mingary
{quote} ...behind on current events.. ...
Either the state of your brain seems to be worse than feared or you still work for MAGA's propaganda team and gear up your efforts toward 2024.... did Trump collect enough money to pay you again, Mingy?

You are a perfect example to prove what I just explained before. You must be so happy that the MAGA nut jubs continue to eat up even the most stupiest lies.



Get well soon.
@ Mingary..
Recently I was sad to see the Jimmy Rodgers of Quantum Fund fame, passed away.
Your concocted disputes here are always amusing and this latest redux, with @HudithePupf reminded me of something he said in an interview many years ago.
"Oh I know where the Market is going ok, I just dont know when.
Another legendary investor of the last 20 years remarked about forecasting,, "Never put a price(target) AND a date on the same page." So with that caveat, though IMHO an indictment is -100/+100 at this stage and obviously less that he would be convicted... if hes put on the stand in any of the pending cases .. Id put a small bet on @HtPfs prediction.

Anyway, WTF cares. Hes not coming back though he may continue to piss-in-the-GOP-soup for another couple of years yet., destabilize American democracy... America (outside the bubble) seems to be moving on.
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Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Either the state of your brain seems to be worse than feared or you still work for MAGA's propaganda team and gear up your efforts toward 2024.... did Trump collect enough money to pay you again, Mingy? You are a perfect example to prove what I just explained before. You must be so happy that the MAGA nut jubs continue to eat up even the most stupiest lies. Get well soon.
I have delved into the nature of belief systems quite a lot.
"All belief systems are self referential"
You are so sure in your opinions. It makes for a typical case study of a truly interesting phenomenon that is so pervasive and rather too common.
We are now in the "wall of denial" phase. The real facts come out and it's harder and harder to stay in denial about what is going on. There is a commitment to being wrong rather than admitting what was wrong, but it's getting difficult because things are getting pretty obvious. The solution is to be in denial of being in denial. The appearance is blissful intelligence but really it's numbness and not intelligent. I believe there is no cure for most people, except for the passage of time that can make acceptance of the truth more palatable.
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