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    Tesla CEO Elon Musk has tweeted his way into trouble with another federal agency, this time the National Labor Relations Board. The board on Thursday found that a May 20, 2018 Musk tweet unlawfully threatened employees with loss of stock options if they chose to be represented by the United Auto Workers union. Board members ordered Tesla to make Musk delete the tweet and stop threatening employees with loss of benefits for supporting a labor organization. Tesla must also post a notice addressing unfair labor practices at its Fremont, California, plant, and post a notice dealing with the tweet at all its facilities ... (full story)

Industrialist will continue to try to build their businesses' with slave labor while the labor force continue to buy their products. The cycle continues.
Quoting Gmoney1
Industrialist will continue to try to build their businesses' with slave labor while the labor force continue to buy their products. The cycle continues.
Slave labor?

When people can apply and work where they want,

Seems you need to learn a little about freedom.
That is and will always be a hype and Elon Musk Tweets a lot about everything and he calls it memes.
Good but we do not need to worry about that, this is capitalism for you and their seem not be any Regulations regarding tweets and all the so called memes and jokes.
Musk is a Jonkie too
Musk is not going back to California, this article has the political retribution stench to it as Musk choose Texas over California.
Texas in process will eclipse California.
Florida is eclipsing NYS.

Free States remain attractive while those others will write about Tweets and continue down the sewer drain pointing fingers.
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Quoting COGSx86
{quote} Slave labor? When people can apply and work where they want, Seems you need to learn a little about freedom.
I agree mate that "Slave" is a bit OTT. but so is "Freedom"
"People can apply and work where they want .. and thats Freedom"?
When an ordinary guy NEEDS a job.. to feed his family he does what he can get..Thats not Freedom.
Freedom is what you and I have. Because we are economically independent.
50% of the population ARE NOT. So the "freedom" you are eulogizing doesnt exist for them..
"twitted his way into trouble" LMAO
The law is in place to cover these situations. The question is, did and does Musk have in his employment contracts a stipulation that to be offered a job at Tesla you can't be a member of an organised Union? If he has such a line in the contract then anyone employed by Tesla wilful signed up to that. If there is no such clause then the only redress is on site workers collective action in protest at some shared grevance. That's how unions were formed in the first place after all. Stock options are being used as a goad and chain - free people would be share holders buying into the company they happen to work for.
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Quoting Lamplighter
The law is in place to cover these situations. The question is, did and does Musk have in his employment contracts a stipulation that to be offered a job at Tesla you can't be a member of an organised Union? If he has such a line in the contract then anyone employed by Tesla wilful signed up to that.
It would appear that would be a fair interpretation of the tweet. It appears that the some conditions far exceed those provided for under the previous UAW regime. And they get stock options thrown in.

I'm not sure of American law and if you can contract yourself out of being represented by a labour association, but it wouldn't surprise me. It could make sense despite public policy concerns, knowing the incompetence, dishonesty and rorts of labour unions in Australia.

Australia used to have a thriving car manufacturing industry and even exported to many countries. The unions became very dominant to the point where a fairly unskilled position with a car manufacturer was remunerated nearly double the average Australian salary. Australia no longer makes any cars.
Musk is a con man ,
the tax payer is busy building his factories ,
hyper loop a joke, solar city a joke
Do I think he was unfair to his employees without going down the rabbit hole =you bet.

Sell Tesla to 0 when the madness is officially over.
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Quoting COGSx86
{quote} Slave labor? When people can apply and work where they want, Seems you need to learn a little about freedom.
Since you have no clue what freedom means let me educate you. Freedom involves the right to choose regardless of the consequences which people have fought and died for through armies that you may have not been a part of but you enjoy the same, I have. Try raising a family on $7.50 an hour by some who have no choice but to accept while your CEO makes BILLIONS who refuses and ignores your right to choose to organize.
Quoting Gmoney1
{quote} Since you have no clue what freedom is let me educate you Freedom involves the right to choose regardless of the consequences which people have fought and died for through armies that you may have not been a part of but you enjoy the same, I have. Try raising a family on $7.50 an hour by some who have no choice but to accept while your CEO makes BILLIONS who refuses and ignores your right to choose to organize.
"involves the right to choose "

Thank you,

paid labour is not slavery
Quoting COGSx86
{quote} "involves the right to choose " Thank you, paid labour is not slavery
I only debate with my peers, all others I teach...learn something.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} I agree mate that "Slave" is a bit OTT. but so is "Freedom" "People can apply and work where they want .. and thats Freedom"? When an ordinary guy NEEDS a job.. to feed his family he does what he can get..Thats not Freedom. Freedom is what you and I have. Because we are economically independent. 50% of the population ARE NOT. So the "freedom" you are eulogizing doesnt exist for them..
" an ordinary guy NEEDS a job.. to feed his family he does what he can get..Thats not Freedom."

Im pretty sure thats freedom filled with bad choices. If he's bringing a child into a world without holding down a full time job, can't put food on the table, thats bad choices all because of Freedom.

Mean while you have Elon, generating Trillions in economic activity all based on freedom, well creating medical devices, new technology and taking humans to a new level of human advancement
Elon creates jobs, factories, and economic development for the whole economy lifting everyone out of poverty. I mean shit Tesla wants to build a city in Texas. All based on Freedom, in one of the freest places on earth.
Quoting Gmoney1
{quote} I only debate with my peers, all others I teach...learn something.
well then Im glad I got to teach you a lesson on freedom today
Quoting COGSx86
{quote} well then Im glad I got to teach you a lesson on freedom today
The lesson I learned from you is never debate people who wear the sheets off their beds and cut holes in them to see.
Well we arent debating. It just seems you havent been able to conform with freedom very well, continuing to hold on to the past, not moving forward to grow.

This article had nothing to say about slavery. It was simply talking about bonuses and a union forming. Companies dont like unions, so instead they pay more, give better benefits, and give bonuses. Based on performance, to further advance the business and company. Where as unions create stagnation in the company, they lose innovation and employees who are willing to go above and beyond, what the company asks of them, simply because the individual knows it is his own path, as an individual, to go above and beyond will.

The ones who like Unions are LAZY. FACT.


wtf u talkin about sheets for? We are talking about bonuses and company employees possibly forming a union, using the freedom they have. C'mon man, this has nothing to do with race and the past.


We are in the free world, with open ski's, no need to wear anything over your head.

Stop thinking everything is about you, black people and racism.

We are in the free world, money and bonuses. Move on, grow, become stronger and learn how to make some money.
Go back to your cave It seems you know nothing of a struggling family trying to live on $7.50 to make ends meet that part eluded you since not caring for the less fortunate or decent wages is not of your concern. Without unions you would not have work rules nor safer working conditions or retirement and medical plans that I'll bet someone in your family has enjoyed or taken for granted like you. Go ahead make your money ,you can't take it with you, by the way this is not a free world it never was nor will it ever be don't get it twisted, your mind can only handle so much.
Quoting Gmoney1
Go back to your cave It seems you know nothing of a struggling family trying to live on $7.50 to make ends meet that part eluded you since not caring for the less fortunate or decent wages is not of your concern. Without unions you would not have work rules nor safer working conditions or retirement and medical plans that I'll bet someone in your family has enjoyed or taken for granted like you. Go ahead make your money ,you can't take it with you, by the way this is not a free world it never was nor will it ever be don't get it twisted, your mind...
There you go again, trying to bring in this made up idea. This article had nothing to say about "a struggling family trying to live on $7.50", It was specifically about stock options. Stocks are how to give employees more money, incentivizing spending, into the economy, simply from working, creating economic growth.

Elon at the same time is building his own town, Starbase Texas, for individuals to work, at there free choosing. 3 days ago he announced 30 million dollars for local development. Which will create thousands of jobs. If your that struggling family making $7.50 an hour, you should be doing everything you can, to get as close as possible, to the Tesla factory in Brownsville Texas. Why?

The wealthiest company in the world, pays its employees really well. They have to spend money, on daily needs from food, to electronic, to schools, to everything in between.

Thousands of well paying jobs, just waiting. Stop using this struggling idea to hold people back. Take the opportunities to move forward and improve upon yourself, to earn more, and be better change, instead of allowing yourself to be stuck.
If all those "Thousands of well paying jobs, just waiting out there , even you would have one. I see where you're getting your info from that deposed liar in chief. You throw out all this BS with no evidence just opinions. Not one well paid blue collar job in America hasn't come from a union blueprint that you keep ignoring just like your fearless leader to insert you own made up facts and omit the truth. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions not their own made up facts, Just like he did in Bessemer refusing to allow a union but brags that he pays $15.00hr but the warehouse next to his pays $18.00 has a retirement, 40hr work week cant be fired for "just cause" and he increases their " mandatory" work hours at will Hires the city police to harass the pickets walkers ...REALLY?
Quoting Gmoney1
If all those "Thousands of well paying jobs, just waiting out there , even you would have one. I see where you're getting your info from that deposed liar in chief. You throw out all this BS with no evidence just opinions.
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