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What is the meaning and purpose of sovereignty in current modern context??? We are no longer the British Empire we once be.

How long more do we Brits still wants to live in past history and glory that no longer exists?

ERG - just a bunch of hardliner mf
Quoting NotBoris
What is the meaning and purpose of sovereignty in current modern context??? We are no longer the British Empire we once be. How long more do we Brits still wants to live in past history and glory that no longer exists? ERG - just a bunch of hardliner mf
Nothing to do with history or the Empire.
It's to do with independence. Having the ability to make our own decisions moving forward so that we can unleash new tech onto the world without the eu suppression.
We never wanted to be in the club in the first place. There's 47 years of damage to undo
It's quite a simple matter. You want to take back that which you put in before joining the EU, thus being independent again, to operate as you see fit. However, I don't think the trade deal really does that, and perhaps Britain cannot be trusted to not shaft it's own people. That seems to be the way the EU are thinking.
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} ... We never wanted to be in the club in the first place. There's 47 years of damage to undo
Funny that..I seem to recall an UK accession referendum back in '57, voting 67% approval for joining the community. Bit more decisive that 52/48?
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Funny that..I seem to recall an UK accession referendum back in '57, voting 67% approval for joining the community. Bit more decisive that 52/48?
That's slightly misleading as it was in 1975 and the vote was to stay apart of the EEA, which Britain was all for since it was to do with trade only, not accession to the EU. The EU was formed in 1992 which then changed everything, and was not voted on
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Funny that..I seem to recall an UK accession referendum back in '57, voting 67% approval for joining the community. Bit more decisive that 52/48?
That was to join the EEC, not the EU it morphed into
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Quoting trumps
{quote} That was to join the EEC, not the EU it morphed into
Exactly.
Today the EU evolved for the better but in the same directions, namely to enhance a unified foreign and security policy, and common citizenship rights and by advancing cooperation in the areas of immigration, asylum, and judicial affairs... Good luck, UK! [applause]
Quoting Guest
{quote} Exactly. Today the EU evolved, advancing cooperation in the areas of immigration, asylum, and judicial affairs...
You mean, EU assumes control over immigration, asylum and some Judicial affairs, stripping these sovereign principles from member countries.

I get it,

so does the UK,

Hence, they left...
Compulsions can be hard to resist
What I found interesting, was that in the latter stages of this whole drawn out Brexit saga, some Europhiles stated that the EU will do all they can to make an example of the UK during the Brexit negotiations, to dissuade other member countries from also leaving.

Recently, I began asking them why other member countries might want to leave.

I would never get a reply.
Compulsions can be hard to resist
Quoting trumps
{quote} You mean, EU assumes control over immigration, asylum and some Judicial affairs, stripping these sovereign principles from member countries. I get it, so does the UK, Hence, they left...
To the extent that the Executive (bureaucrats) are granted Judicial powers, this is wrong. It may be OK in Europe, but is definitely not anywhere in the British separation of powers doctrine.

This utter dysfunction has been creeping into Australia for quite a long time for "reasons".

That the Executive has inordinate influence over politicians (Legislature) is old news, but it is getting to such a point that people who can *think* are losing faith in exactly who is in control of policy - Deep State theory. Google the book The Deep State of Europe.

Good on the British and all who voted to leave and those who are doing their best (despite all the games) to cut ties with such a turgid system.
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