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Old Nov 20, 2009 10:23am (10 hr ago)
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Hello ...

I am new to this forum, but I have been studying this thread for a couple of days. This thread is so enormous that I might have missed the answer to my question, so my apologies in advance if this was discussed before.

I have been taking a look at TradeGuider, and my main question is: which method do they use to divide the spread/range, and the volume, into ...

zerro, unarrow, vnarrow, narrow, avg, wide, vwide, uwide ???

I have been testing dividing the median over 20 bars into zones and making a range with multiple zones stacked up, but my calculated zone-range often doesn't match up with the zone descriptions TG is giving for the same bars.

I have been playing around with Fibonacci levels, but I don't seem to it right with that as well.

What do you think is the best method ?


Edit: Second question ...

I realize this is a forex forum, but this is the biggest thread I have found on the topic.

For stock traders: the big institutions are probably not trading in many stocks.
I was reading in some messages that VSA could give misleading signals on low volume stocks.

Did some one here ever thought of adding VSA signals of the NYSE (price vs. $UVOL, $DVOL, $ADVN, $DECN)
to stock charts to know when big institutions are active in the market, either on the up side or
the down side ???

Take a look at this video. I expect eotpro is using NYSE VSA data in their indicators to know when the
big institutions are active. http://eotpro.typepad.com/my_weblog/...umb-money.html

I am not a forex trader, but I assume high NYSE market activity (manipulation) has an effect on
forex markets as well??? Perhaps this could give early warning signals ???

Thanks in advance for your help and replies.

- Marco.

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Old Nov 20, 2009 11:45am (9 hr ago)
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like in his example, the candle is a down bar on great volume but not so great. It has less volume than bar 1 for example. Then i saw a ND whitin the range of the big bar and took a short after the down close in the bar after the ND.

before read this post i would wait a test to go long.

bar 4 is a squat, right? Should i close the short there? And after bar 5, wich is a test? Or in the bar after that, wich confirms the test? Or sould i stay in the trade until the high of the bar 2 is violated?


any comments would be appreciated
Hi,
I have been using VSA for a few weeks. It is not my primary method of trading and I only use it to complement my other method.

If my understanding of VSA is correct, No demand occurring at the end of an uptrend would signal weakness in the uptrend and it usually occurs after some up bars going up on reduced volume.

In your screenshot, as volume increases (4 compared to 3,2 and 1), price managed to close near the high of the candle. To me, it looks like a "No supply" test. If after the increased volume, price is not falling, then it means that there is buying strength.

Again, my knowledge of volume/VSA is only few weeks old. I am posting this reply to see if my thought is valid. I'd wait to see what the experts think.

Either I'm right or I can increase my understanding of VSA (I'd not say I'm wrong ).
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Old Nov 20, 2009 12:38pm (8 hr ago)
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Hello ...

I am new to this forum, but I have been studying this thread for a couple of days. This thread is so enormous that I might have missed the answer to my question, so my apologies in advance if this was discussed before.

I have been taking a look at TradeGuider, and my main question is: which method do they use to divide the spread/range, and the volume, into ...

zerro, unarrow, vnarrow, narrow, avg, wide, vwide, uwide ???

I have been testing dividing the median over 20 bars into zones and making a range with multiple zones stacked up,...
I also am a VSA novice, but a couple of comments for what they're worth. I presume you have read "Master the Markets"? If you haven't, then by all means do, and that should answer most questions, but if you have, then I'm wondering what it is you're talking about really. "Divide the spread"? "Dividing the median over 20 bars into zones"?? With all due respect, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I don't remember reading about those kinds of terms in MTM. Like I said I'm new, so it's possible I missed something, but even in reading the thread I've not heard anyone talking about that kind of stuff or any of those terms. So possibly it will help to read a bit more on the nuts and bolts of VSA?

A shorter, easier, and uncopyrighted VSA read is VSA Basics (attached). It's posted other places in the thread, but I attached here also. Maybe that will answer some of your questions.

If I'm way off base here, then my apologies, but honestly I'm just not really sure what you are asking above...
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Old Nov 20, 2009 1:47pm (7 hr ago)
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Hello ...

Thanks for the VSA Basics guide. It's one I haven't seen yet. I have a lot of reading to do. Is the script used in this guide available?


I am calling [ unarrow, vnarrow, narrow, avg, wide, vwide, uwide ] zones.
If the spread falls within a zone, you can give it a name, e.g. spread=wide.

My question was, how do you determine the boundaries of each zone?

I am trying to write a TG-like VSA script for ThinkOrSwim

I have tested the following, which seems to work reasonably well, it's getting very similar to what TG is showing me.

- Calculate the 30 moving-Median of the spreads == Fibonacci 50%.
- Then I calculate boundary for ...
* Fibonacci 178.6% == vwide=(median*178.6)/50
* Fibonacci 138.2% == wide=(median*138.2)/50
* Fibonacci 61.8% == average=(median*61.8)/50
* Fibonacci 38.2% == narrow=(median*38.2)/50
* Fibonacci 23.6% == vnarrow=(median*23.6)/50
* Fibonacci 11.8% == unarrow=(median*11.8)/50

if (spread == 0){ zone="zero"; AddSpread=false;
} else if (spread < unarrow) { zone="Unarrow";
} else if (spread < vnarrow) { zone="Vnarrow";
} else if (spread < narrow) { zone="Narrow";
} else if (spread < average) { zone="Average";
} else if (spread < wide) { zone="Wide";
} else if (spread < vwide) { zone="Vwide";
} else { zone="Uwide"; AddSpread=false;
}

if(AddSpread) {
// Add the current spread to the array to calculate the 30
moving-Median of the spreads for the next bar.
} else {
// Don't add a zero-spread or a ultra-wide spread to calculate the 30
moving-Median of the spreads for the next bar.
}

To make a VSA script, you have to describe the status of the ...
- Bar [down,up,GapDown,GapUp]
- Close [low,high,middle, etc?]
- Volume [zero, unarrow, vnarrow, narrow, avg, wide, vwide, uwide]
- spread [zero, unarrow, vnarrow, narrow, avg, wide, vwide, uwide]
- change [zero, unarrow, vnarrow, narrow, avg, wide, vwide, uwide]

With different combinations of these (combined with the status
of previous bars) you can make a ton of rules for when to show signals.

Here are many of the signals described.
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...02009%208:53am

But the initial challenge is to find the correct boundaries that determines
the status of e.g. the spread of a bar.

I hope this explains it well?
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Old Nov 20, 2009 2:53pm (6 hr ago)
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Hello ...

Thanks for the VSA Basics guide. It's one I haven't seen yet. I have a lot of reading to do. Is the script used in this guide available?


I am calling [ unarrow, vnarrow, narrow, avg, wide, vwide, uwide ] zones.
If the spread falls within a zone, you can give it a name, e.g. spread=wide.

My question was, how do you determine the boundaries of each zone?

I am trying to write a TG-like VSA script for ThinkOrSwim

I have tested the following, which seems to work reasonably well, it's getting very similar to what TG is showing me.

- Calculate...
Ok, sounds like you are a programmer. There are several posters on this thread that have programmed various indicators and such, but I'm not versed in that area myself.

I'm actually doing my best to "trade naked" with no indicators. But as for the "zones" for spreads, I'm not sure there are set parameters for determining what is narrow, very narrow, etc., because as I understand it, a spread being narrow, wide, etc. is relative to other bars in the background, rather than a set value.

I doubt that's helpful, but you can click the paperclip at upper right to see all of the indicators posted in the thread, and maybe you could ask one of those guys who did the coding...
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Old Nov 20, 2009 3:04pm (5 hr ago)
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vsa sucks .... go not believe everything you read that is works ...lol

hope you all have a great weekend ... what a week , love it when trends form and we can just play reatrces and no demand bars on 15 min charts
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Old Nov 20, 2009 5:45pm (3 hr ago)
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Was nice week for VSA student too - me

p.s.

To get with trend - that not so easy as it sounds lol

Have a great weekend everyone!


Best,
Tom




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vsa sucks .... go not believe everything you read that is works ...lol

hope you all have a great weekend ... what a week , love it when trends form and we can just play reatrces and no demand bars on 15 min charts
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Old Nov 20, 2009 5:51pm (3 hr ago)
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Hello ...

Thanks for the VSA Basics guide. It's one I haven't seen yet. I have a lot of reading to do. Is the script used in this guide available?


I am calling [ unarrow, vnarrow, narrow, avg, wide, vwide, uwide ] zones.
If the spread falls within a zone, you can give it a name, e.g. spread=wide.

My question was, how do you determine the boundaries of each zone?

I am trying to write a TG-like VSA script for ThinkOrSwim

I have tested the following, which seems to work reasonably well, it's getting very similar to what TG is showing...
hey marcovth, any chance of doing this same thing for the mt4 platform?
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Old Nov 20, 2009 7:08pm (1 hr 49 min ago)
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hey marcovth, any chance of doing this same thing for the mt4 platform?

why do you need this ? do not rely so much on this stuff ..... learn to read and understand the charts / candles and volumes yourself ...ok with the help of the better volume indie to flag when something odd is going on . If you spend the time on this now for the rest of your life your traidng will only get better and better

trades like this will come automaticaly to you as they do to me. Since learning vsa 10 % on account per week is easy

6 more months till I give up my highly over paid job to trade full time

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Old Nov 20, 2009 7:10pm (1 hr 46 min ago)
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why do you need this ? do not rely so much on this stuff ..... learn to read and understand the charts / candles and volumes yourself ...ok with the help of the better volume indie to flag when something odd is going on . If you spend the time on this now for the rest of your life your traidng will only get better and better

trades like this will come automaticaly to you as they do to me. Since learning vsa 10 % on account per week is easy

6 more months till I give up my highly over paid job to trade full time

I do not even really know the...
wrong chart
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Old Nov 20, 2009 8:21pm (36 min ago)
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vsa sucks .... go not believe everything you read that is works ...lol

hope you all have a great weekend ... what a week , love it when trends form and we can just play reatrces and no demand bars on 15 min charts
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yeah guess vsa only goes so far..

great weekend to all-----
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